http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/ Engadget Comments for Apple posts firmware v1.1.2 -- goodbye jailbreak! http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/There is a great "you shouldn't do this and we won't let you" crowd that is I'm sure frantically digging at the new update. I am equally sure they will eventually find a way. What you may care more about is whether this particular update is even worth having.
If it's anything like 1.1.1 the only thing the update really did was break the hack. You can live with an earlier version just fine. The question is when will development reach a point that you want the new features enough to mess with it.
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Extra language packs?

Wait for the next big update.]]>Nov 8th 2007 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 9th 2007 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Then you won't get a rash.]]>Nov 15th 2007 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 9th 2007 6:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
JAmerican]]>Nov 8th 2007 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
Or it could be that actual iPhone users don't agree with your statements.



Post from my iPhone.]]>Nov 8th 2007 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
Right now I'm enjoying the iPhone a great deal; the third party app community has done a great job so far, and I'm hoping that the official SDK in February does allow for some of the same creative third party stuff that people have been doing on their own up til this point.

But in all honesty, at this point, I would still take the iPhone over my Palm OS Treo 650; as I said, I do like third party apps, but even on my Treo, the primary uses I had for it were e-mail and web browsing, and so far I have found the iPhone to more than suit my needs for e-mail (it admittedly doesn't have some of the functions that ChatterMail did, but even so) and the iPhone's Safari browser completely blows away Palm's Blazer (and I also still find it to be more fluid to use than Opera Mini 4, which is admittedly quite nice). ]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
Maybe the reason some of us have iPhones to begin with is because WM is such a steaming pile of unusable crap that we decided to go back to a standard 9-key cell phone until something better (ie, iPhone) came along.

I'm anxious to see how Android goes, though. If anyone can make a competitive phone OS environment, it's Google.]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
If the iPhone is said to run a variant of OS X, then why don't they allow third-party development? It is my understanding that the full Mac OS X does not run on the iPhone but a slimmed down version of it. Couldn't Apple include or implement the safeguards necessary to keep the OS on the iPhone stable. I mean they do it with Mac OS X. Why must users hack their devices and potentially void their warranties just to get the most out of their already expensive phone.

That's what is killing me about the iPhone. Sure you can add applications on it but you have to wait for the jailbreak. If your iPhone ends up malfunctioning (all hardware fails at some point and time) and is in need of a repair and yet you still have the jailbreak and non-Apple apps on it. What do you do?

Please don't flame me for asking reasonable questions. Just answer the questions My first post was somewhat trollish. I agree but I this post is much more mature.

JAmerican]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 11:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
Apple says they plan to have an SDK in developers' hands by February.
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/third_party_apps.php

I don't care *that* much about third-party apps; most the ones I used in WM didn't really work that well anyway. I bought the iPhone without that requirement, however I figured (and was right) that the apps would come eventually.

Obviously third-party apps make it a more attractive platform, but that's not all there is to a phone -- hell, the average phone user, even the average smartphone user doesn't use them. Maybe a few percent of the market?]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
Brandon]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
They and their exclusive provider don't want their phone unlocked. I imagine Apple worked pretty hard to get revenue sharing deals and doesn't want to give complete access to the device which would more than likely make unlocking a breeze.

In point of fact, they ARE implementing the very things you're talking about with their imminent release of an iPhone SDK. Keep in mind, Apple isn't Microsoft. Consider the size of the company and the number of engineers that work there that are developing a.) new hardware for Macs, b.) new hardware for iPods, c.) new hardware for unannounced, or experimental projects, d.) OS X e.) OS X for mobile devices f.) OS X for PPC

It's not easy to crank all of this out. I'm sure Apple's #1 goal is to give every person the chance to plunk down their $$, but it's something that's just not economically feasible for them to do, and it's certainly something they can't do with the snap of their fingers.

You make it sound like the iPhone and its software was just a cakewalk, and yet, it was pretty revolution in its scope and implementation, if not with every single hardware and software feature crammed into it that Engadget nerds (myself included) would like. You don't think I want 3rd party software too? That doesn't mean that I don't think it was a good idea to roll the phone out when they did and how they did, and their sales figures function serve as evidence that they did the right thing.

It drives me nuts that the internet has given everyone a voice, and that voice is collectively used to tell a multi-billion dollar company with almost a decade of nothing but growth and success how exactly their company and products need to work. If it's not the device for you, there's something out there that will be. HTC has some great stuff, and Windows Mobile will let you get all the junk software you need (though you could simply wait until February to buy an iPhone, or buy an iPhone and deal with the lack of SSH, Bejeweled, or whatever it is that the iPhone doesn't currently do that you think is just KILLER for you to have), but Apple's making a bundle off of the iPhone, and that seems to justify correct decisions.

Maybe it doesn't blow your skirt up, but quite frankly, I'm enjoying watching my stock price soar. As a shareholder, I'm glad they aren't listening to every single piece of nitpicking. Should Apple have waited until this February to release the iPhone? Surely you can't believe that. Prada would've shown up sooner, there'd be increased competition out the wazoo, and worse, if you think people are whining about the feature set now (OMG NO 3G... wah) imagine how dated it would appear to the nerds then?

I realize they didn't release what you wanted. He's not Santa Claus, he's Steve Jobs. He's a business man. He makes money. He makes it for shareholders.]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QA4s7uGIrxo

JAmerican]]>Nov 8th 2007 11:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/First of all, they said apps would have to be digitally signed. Whether that means that they have to be approved by apple or not remains to be seen. I'd like to know the answer to that question myself, being a developer.

To answer your other questions:

Sure, I miss 3g, tethering, full Exchange support, and the ability to add apps that I want (as rarely as I did on my WinMo phone). However, I bought the iPhone in full knowledge that I wouldn't be able to do these things. What made up for these flaws was the amazing interface, *revolutionary* web browser, the slim form factor, and the great gadget convergence that is the iPhone. As limited as it is, it is one of the better PMP's that I have owned (you have to see the video that it plays to believe), it adequately handles my email, gives me the best mobile browsing experience that I have ever had, and oh yeah, it works pretty good as a phone too. Everything else is just gravy.

It has its drawbacks, but it's not like most of us didn't go into this with open eyes. There is enough room in this world for a lot of phones/gadgets. Don't hate on those of us that chose something that you didn't want. (As you admitted, your first comment was pretty trollish)]]>Nov 8th 2007 11:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 11:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 9th 2007 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
Explain why Apple has that huge data loss bug in Leopard then when attempting to move data and the location you're moving it to gets cut off. Explain how this was found to be in as early a version of OS X as 10.3 and why such a glaring bug in software was NOT fixed before it came out of beta. Explain why Apple decided to ship Leopard with the firewall in it off by default, unlike Windows XP starting in SP2 and Vista have it ON by default. Explain how the new iMac heating problems with the ati video card are because Apple chose form over function. Explain how clearly the iPhone was released BEFORE its version of OS X was finished. Which you just said only Microsoft does. And of course only Microsoft releases a product before its ready for the market. Apple never does that. Oh no, never. Because clearly if this was true with Apple, they would never need to patch their own software and fix their own hardware. Which we all know they do.

Explain why you're trying to bash Microsoft for its flaws while clearly ignoring Apple's own flaws. Why do you think Apple can do no wrong and that whenever something bad happens, that you decide to blame someone else instead of Apple. Whats wrong? Afraid your biasness will show.]]>Nov 9th 2007 1:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/
In Tiger, they improved it where you had to specify which user you wanted to be viewed on the Windows Machine. I don't remember exactly. I still saw some problems with it.

In Leopard, you can choose which folders you want shared and while those folders appear on the Windows machine, the Mac OS X folder (for your Mac drive) also appears even if not shared.

I rarely use this feature just because how open it is. Essentially any one can just leech off your Mac drive if you connect to a school network with that Windows sharing enabled.

JAmerican]]>Nov 9th 2007 2:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 9:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/



And as for the laptops, I find it annoying on Windows based machines to actually have the right click. I hit it when I don't mean to. Not bashin em or anything. ]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/wtf? how do u manage to do that? im using my laptop right now, and it is nearly impossible for me to "accidntely" right click. maybe you can accidentaly left click(tapping the touch pad)..

maybe you are using ure touchpad the wrong way..if thats even possible..?
i don't wana sound mean or anything..]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/


I'm just really used to my MBP with the one button. I click right in the middle. So it happens a lot. Like I said, nothing against the Windows machines, more my own problem :P]]>Nov 8th 2007 10:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/LOL kk, that makes sence

good, thats settled then.]]>Nov 8th 2007 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/I'll just wait to upgrade my unlocked Canadian iPhone at the next big release.]]>Nov 8th 2007 9:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/apple-posts-firmware-v1-1-2-goodbye-jailbreak/Nov 8th 2007 11:21PM