http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/ Engadget Comments for DVD Forum approves 51GB triple-layer HD DVD spec http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Jan 31st 2008 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/ 30 gigs, so who cares that it held 50 gigs...

I can almost guarantee the HD DVDs are going to use this full 51 gig capacity as well.]]>Nov 15th 2007 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
So, just like you can burn 8.7 gig discs with your dual layer DVD burner, you would be able to burn 50 gig discs with you Blu-ray burner. Now this is already possible, but the price will continually drop in the coming years. ]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 4:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
Besides, isn't ~50GB like, the end of the line for HDDVD whilst Bluray will eventually go all the way to ~200GB, if not at least ~100GB...]]>Nov 16th 2007 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/I see this 51GB HD-DVD disc as a good thing, even though I am a BD supporter, because now the companies have NO excuse for not using the full space and specs for both, as they are now both the same size.]]>Nov 16th 2007 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/The majority BD discs are not even using the same codec so they are hardly "using one encode" as you say. It's more like Blu Ray is paying for it's own mistakes.]]>Nov 16th 2007 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean used 75 GBs (one full 50GB disk and a 25GB disk for extra content they couldn't fit on the 50GB disk).]]>Nov 19th 2007 3:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
I can backup my whole p0rn collection in just a few discs!.... err, i mean, the data of my projects...]]>Nov 15th 2007 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
The porn industry fails.

Rule #34 on HD war now.]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 9:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
As a friend of mine says, he won't buy a high-def movie until he can buy a $30 dual-format player at Walmart!]]>Nov 15th 2007 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/

Like video games....]]>Nov 15th 2007 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
Make more money. Video game consoles help by lowering the price of entry into the Hi-Def movie arena.

Don't let the format war keep you from enjoying the beauty that is High Definition.]]>Nov 15th 2007 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
oh whoops, wrong thread. danget, I did that again!]]>Nov 15th 2007 11:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
However, that (what was it?) six layer multi hundred gigabyte disk your referring two would not...]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
I paid $500 for my first Pioneer DVD player... only problem was that it didn't read dual layer discs.

When the dual layer discs started coming out I'd buy movies and then just not be able to watch them. I called Pioneer to ask them what was up after seeing tons of people that owned the same player complaining online.

Their solution? "Send the player back to us (on my dime btw) and we'll put a new drive in it for $200 that'll be able to read the new dual layered discs."

NOT joking.]]>Nov 16th 2007 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
Blu-ray on the other hand is not backwards compatible. Blu-ray players have to have 2 lasers. One to read CDs and DVDs and another to read BDs. This is a result of blu-rays vastly different focal point. Using this focal point means the lens has to be glass instead of plastic (like CD, DVD, and HD DVD) because even the tiniest imperfection will result in disc read errors.

Also, using this focal point requires the data layer to be very close to the edge of the disc, requiring them to coat every disc with a scratch proof coating because the discs are more fragile (a small scratch will rip off the data layer). This increases the costs of making each disc.

In addition, BDs cannot be make in preexisting DVD plants because the process is too different so new manufacturing plants have to be built specifically for BD production.

Sounds like Toshiba has the better product to me. Blu-ray may look better on paper, but HD DVD is better in practice. It is much cheaper to produce with little to no difference in quality.]]>Nov 16th 2007 12:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.dvdforum.org/40scmtg-resolution.htm

Here's what you should link to.]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/ Im just waiting to see the BR-QL(Quad Layer) strike back LOL!]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
Does it really count as "bragging rights" if you've just created a spec that's incompatible with all of your players?
]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 16th 2007 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
At the very LEAST all the third gen players will be able to cope with these discs and from what I can tell, it's VERY likely second gen players will be fine too. ]]>Nov 16th 2007 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
The sad fact is, nothing on the market today will play these 51GB discs, and the only reason they are around, is to make HD DVD look like it still has a chance.]]>Nov 16th 2007 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/
Show me a player that cannot do firmware updates. Even the ones that do not have ethernet can be updated either with discs, or as a factory upgrade by shipping the unit in or bringing it to a service center. ]]>Nov 16th 2007 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/]]>Nov 15th 2007 10:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/dvd-forum-approves-51gb-triple-layer-hd-dvd-spec/Nov 15th 2007 10:48PM