http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/ Engadget Comments for Debitel offering 600 euro "sign-up bonus" for 999 euro iPhone in Germany http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Isn't all wifi unlimited?]]>Nov 27th 2007 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/
]]>Nov 27th 2007 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/most wifi hotspots in germany are owned by t-mobile and are far from being free - even if you're a t-mobile customer, you might be paying up to 12 euro-cent per minute...

it's not like the t-mobile plans were that great anyway... as for data flatrates, the cheapest plan which is 49 euro per month (almost US$73 by today's rate) throttles your download speed to 64kbit/s and upload to 16kbit/s after you reach a 200MB limit (1GB/5GB for the other two plans which are ~US$102 and US$132, respectively) - wifi is unaffected by that, of course.

debitel does offer many plans that are much cheaper than those and for people who don't care too much about data plans, they surely will help them to afford an iphone to make calls with and send texts for way less than t-mobile does... I'd still probably rather ditch that idea and get it unlocked with a prepaid sim by simyo or something similar, which offer better value than any plans on the market here]]>Nov 27th 2007 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/-Qwerty keyboard (slide out perhaps);
-5 MP camera;
-flash, shockwave supported, and music/video plug-in browser;
-More memory (i.e. expandable); and
-Document support (word, excel, etc...Or Linux options).

Of course these aren't new complaints.
-JP
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Keyboard...unless you've used the onscreen keyboard for over a week continuously, you really can't judge it. Now, i type faster on the iPhone than a blackberry. If all apps on the iPhone allowed you to rotate the keyboard to landscape mode for larger keys (like they allow for safari), it would be PERFECT.

Camera: I don't want a 5MP camera. Combination devices suck. You want a camera, use a REAL camera. It's current offering is good enough for snapping a quick pic of something.

Flash: No doubt everyone is crossing their fingers that either Apple or user community cook up a way to view flash. Good news is this is fixable, but when is a real question mark.

Memory: Until the iPhone comes in varieties 30gb and up, it really isn't an iPod. When larger capacity is offered, this will finally be the convergence device it was initially touted as.

Document support: Built in readers are already installed and the 3rd party community has cooked up some nice options. Again, this carrot will come with time as it is most certainly in the update cycle chain.]]>Nov 27th 2007 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Or did the size of all your files increase drastically?]]>Nov 27th 2007 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/
you bring up a few valid points, but why on earth would you want a 5mp camera in your phone? I don't even want a 5mp pocket camera, and my DSLR only does 6.3. 2 megapixels is enough for a 1600x1200 picture. You'll see a ton of optical and sensor-related distortion even in that 'few' pixels.

The sensor on a phone is just so tiny that 5mp would be worthless. Hell, the lens on the iphone has approx. 1.5mm aperature. Do you really think bumping up the pixel count will help?]]>Nov 27th 2007 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/
Ok. I have a 5 MP pocket camera a little bigger than a credit card that I bought two years ago; I like the quality of 5 MP, for me. If the phone had a 5 MP camera, the lens could be manufactured to insure a quality picture. Don't tell me it cannot be done. By the way, combination devices don't suck if they are well designed.

The touch screen keyboard for the iphone is something that I would not get used to, and there is no way that someone on the iphone could out-type me on a full QWERTY keyboard on my blackberry using both of my thumbs. No way.

Also, what is wrong with wanting a device that fits in the palm of your hand that has a great camera, plays music and video, can edit documents, can talk with friends (via VoIP, text, cell phone, or IM), plenty of memory, has GPS, fully internet capable, and has games. Mobile consumer electronics are moving in that direction. Like it or not. The iPhone is a next step in that direction. Not quite there though. As a consumer, I do not want to buy this yet; it's not where I can justify paying $399 + $50-80/month and changing phone carriers. The closest device I can say that I like is the Nokia N810. And I am really close to buying it, but I have to see it first.

-JP
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And by the way, I was also thinking of buying the Nokia N810, but unfortunately it has one thing missing: a Phone! crazy I know, but truly shocking.]]>Nov 27th 2007 9:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/
Good point. The Nokia website lists the N810 under phones! HA. I don't consider skype a cell phone.

Thanks.

-JP]]>Nov 28th 2007 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nokia N95 -5MP camera...amazing picture for what it is...amazing iPhone competitor..


too bad i couldnt afford any of the 3.]]>Nov 28th 2007 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/
That coupled with the new Document opener/editor (iWork for iPhone) app they're throwing on it, it's gonna make people wish they had an ATT/O2/Orange/T-Mobile DE contract just so they can download the good apps.

I wonder if Installer will come up with a patched springboard by that time ?]]>Nov 27th 2007 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 27th 2007 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/debitel-offering-600-euro-sign-up-bonus-for-999-euro-iphone-in-g/Nov 28th 2007 4:51AM