http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/ Engadget Comments for Upcoming FireWire spec revs things up to 3.2Gbps http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
if only it was as popular as usb :(]]>Dec 15th 2007 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
The big problem with Firewire is royalty fees, they are quite high which is why many manufacturers don't bother with it. ]]>Dec 15th 2007 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
I still can't believe apple switched from firewire to USB only for the iPod, USB just takes all to long to transfer anything, really bothers me when i am moving 4gb of photos to my computer...]]>Dec 15th 2007 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
Find me a bus that can write at 400mb/s to a hard drive and you might have something. I know this SATA drive in my macbook read/writes at a max of 150mb/s. At least that's what the bus allows.

I know, from personal experience, that it's often the transmission medium that slows things down. In this case, I suppose it's the bus in consumer grade computers such as this macbook. This new firewire speed won't help me a bit.

Now, if you had a commercial grade product, say a Netapp 3060 with a 4gbit backplane, 4gbit Network connection, and 13 15k drives, you might get 200mb/s.

But, I suppose something is better than nothing. At least you're ruling out one point of slow-down.]]>Dec 15th 2007 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.dulcesystems.com/html/pro_dq.html]]>Dec 15th 2007 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
Find me a bus that can write at 400mb/s to a hard drive and you might have something. I know this SATA drive in my macbook read/writes at a max of 150mb/s. At least that's what the bus allows."

You've got it wrong. It's 150MB/s (Mega *Bytes* per second), not 150mb/s (mega bits) - big difference ;-)]]>Dec 15th 2007 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
bus speeds for hard drives are going to make the first jump in years since the raptor's release!]]>Dec 16th 2007 8:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
If your protocol has royalties, I wish it death.
If your protocol doesn't scale frequencies infinitely, death is imminent.
If your protocol can't go wireless without modification, it is stunted.
If it can't do parallel frequency offset connection multiplexing, it's slow.
If it can't scale pins, it's stuck.

Give me a protocol drafted by the denizens of kernel trap, and I'm much more likely to be a happy man.]]>Dec 15th 2007 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 17th 2007 3:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 17th 2007 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=esata&x=0&y=0

All of them have offered more bandwidth for almost 4 years now compared to any type of firewire (ie since eSATA was release).]]>Dec 15th 2007 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Obviously eSATA is great for external HDDs, but I haven't seen many (read: 0) camcorders, digital cameras, MP3 players/DAPs/PMPs, scanners, printers, etc that use eSATA.

Firewire has many more applications than just external hdds. The next generation of consumer electronics devices are going to need a faster interface than firewire400/USB2 and this looks to be the best option. Already there are consumer level HD camcorders that take ages to transfer footage over USB2/Firewire400.

I really hope that this version of firewire finally takes over stupid USB, because it is such a superior format in almost every way possible. I can't BELIEVE that people buy 500 and 750GB external drives that use USB2!!! HAHAHA. That would take FOREVER to just fill the thing up.]]>Jan 1st 2008 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
What are the expected latency figures for FireWire and USB (both old and new specs)?

It's not just about bandwidth; latency is important for a lot of applications. Music-making, anyone?]]>Dec 15th 2007 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
For music recording the industry seems to be moving away from computer based recording devices and going back to stand alone (or computer controlled) devices, then you just transfer (in near real time) the samples from your recording surface to your computer for mixing... Or whatever it is you do... Mostly because that technique makes products that don't generate the clicks and pops caused by latency that you are worried about. See the Tascam x-48 or DM4800 for two examples of professional level recording equipment that avoid the whole issue.

Faster firewire is for faster video download and hard disk speeds. Even 48 channels of 96khz audio is not that much compared to modern computer hardware...]]>Dec 15th 2007 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
Practically, due to architecture of USB, its latencies are very high (go into milliseconds).

On FireWire, everything happen on an event. On USB bus, PC has to query manually its state periodically (normally 512 times per second). That often drag all things down.

From my experience, FireWire has lower latencies and lower CPU load. But USB is slightly faster on bulk data transfers (e.g. external hard drives). For real-time stuff FireWire is also better since it (bus) supports bandwidth allocation. But such solutions cost a fortune. People instead prefer dumbly to raise throughput instead...]]>Dec 15th 2007 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 17th 2007 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
For me that would be pretty fast I've got under 50Kb/s...]]>Dec 15th 2007 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
Sorry, I had to laugh...]]>Dec 15th 2007 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
and why did you have to laugh?]]>Dec 15th 2007 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
'It's not just something you can dump things on; it's not a big truck...'
...dump your mom. (sorry, you know what I mean..)]]>Dec 15th 2007 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/B is byte

Gb is gigabit
GB is gigabyte

It's gigabit. In general, transfer speeds are described in bits, while storage is described in bytes.]]>Dec 15th 2007 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 16th 2007 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
If you don't want to capitalize because it "saves time," then you're stuck writing out the full word. Kinda like how you "US" is a country and "us" is a pronoun. Your choice, Lazy McLaziness.]]>Dec 17th 2007 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
- Roger]]>Dec 15th 2007 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
They're also largely responsible for the mass-use of USB.]]>Dec 15th 2007 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/By the time Apple started really adobting it, USB was already WELL established in PC desktops and laptops.
I love revisionist fans, be they fans of Apple, Microsoft, or the Iraq war. Their world's sky always has the most beautiful shade of bullshit brown.]]>Dec 15th 2007 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
Let me repeat what Eric said:

"They're also largely responsible for the mass-use of USB."

He didn't say Apple was the *first* to use USB. Reading is fundamental.

And the first iMac, which boldly dumped older technologies and went with USB exclusively, is widely credited for the rapid acceleration of USB's acceptance in the consumer computing market.

Think, *then* rant.]]>Dec 15th 2007 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Actually, the reason Apple is credited for the quick adoption of USB is because they wanted so much money for their Firewire license that PC manufactures went elsewhere. And we all know it wasn't because it was better. USB 1.0 was only useful for your mouse and keyboard when Firewire was already useful for external drives.

Again, this was Apple trying to make others pay more than the industry wants to spend and they go elsewhere. Familiar story, but I guess Steve Jobs will continue to do the exact same thing until he gets a different result.

I guess everyone for some strange reason everyone wants to be like Qualcomm. Few companies can endure an entire industry's hatred and survive, let alone thrive. But then again, Steve loves to be hated. After all he is better than everyone else and we are all simply jealous of his vision (even if he did steal it from Xerox.).

Long Live Steve, Long Live the King!

- Roger ]]>Dec 15th 2007 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
The older B silicon probably wont hang with the 3.2Gbps speed...]]>Dec 16th 2007 12:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/ Digidesign ProTools? Proof?]]>Dec 15th 2007 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/Dec 15th 2007 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/15/upcoming-firewire-spec-revs-things-up-to-3-2gbps/
The all-in-one workstations that you are seeing pop up are to provide slightly-above-entry-level solutions for people who want to pursue music without spending tens of thousands of dollars on gear...]]>Dec 15th 2007 9:16PM