http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/ Engadget Comments for Microsoft announces Windows Rally network device framework, shows off first product http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 4th 2008 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsexperience/archive/2007/05/16/talking-about-windows-rally.aspx

Looks like some promising stuff. ]]>Jan 3rd 2008 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
i hate Microsoft.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
If I had to guess, it would be the wealth of security concerns that surround the implementation but hey, kookie MS for caring about security. Granted I hope MS has the good grace to allow other vendors to consume Rally based devices. Here's hoping the Windows Rally folks are more influenced by the relatively open CLR team and not the competition phobic elements in the company.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
There used to be some responsiblity of the application layer to deny access - Microsoft has corrupted everyone's idea of security by firewall as the only means of "real" security. Many OS's can sit naked on the internet with no problems at all. Zeroconf doesn't do anything more than its asked to do and doesn't allow anything more than your ask it to. What possible "security" problem could there be with a printer letting everyone know that its here? If you want security - you do that at the application layer - not the network layer.

The network's job is to connect. Its the application layer's job to do work or not do work - evil or good. Anything that makes connectivity easier is a good thing. If you don't want to have devices connect - then don't use zeroconf, and don't put them on the same network.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
> Zeroconf doesn't do anything more than its asked to do and doesn't allow anything more than your ask it to.
And that is precisely the problem. It sucks at securely restricting who asks it to do what. It really is very inadequate at providing automatic discovery AND secure pairing; the discovery part it has down but it is very flawed when it comes to pairing. I really don't want some asshat wardriving by my house and telling my printer to spew goatse pictures (and hey, since you seem to be anti-network level security I guess my AP would be unsecured if you had your way).

>If you want security - you do that at the application layer - not the network layer.
By all means, lets get rid of WPA and transmit all wifi in the clear. Every application should be using SSL to communicate anyway so what is the harm? Screw bluetooth's built in security feature; every device and every client should pair automatically and transmit openly. Phones should pair with every headset that asks so I can listen to the steamy conversation on the other end of my office mate's phone. Down with consistent network level security!

Man, I am glad you aren't in charge of security for anything I use. Oh, and to be technical, since this is communication over TCP and doesn't require a customized network stack I would say this is an application layer on top of the network layer. Incidentally, so is ZeroConf.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/]]>Jan 3rd 2008 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
Nope, for both.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2007/may07/05-15WindowsRally.mspx

That was the press release talking about Windows Rally. That wasn't even announcing the launch. The launch was with Windows Vista. This just talks about it as a technology.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
But then Microsoft has to reinvent ever wheel in computer science anyway !]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
That sounds like the smart way to do things. ]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
Anyhow, to the topic at hand; Rally seems to have a much larger scope than the autodiscovery of zeroconf/Bonjour. However, I think it's bad style to create an entirely new standard that'll require hardware manufacturers to implement *two* standards just to be Windows-compatible in the future (as usual...), instead of basing Rally on top of zeroconf.]]>Jan 3rd 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
I am shocked they even posted this. Engadget are you guys going to skip a paycheck from Apple now that you posted this? ]]>Jan 3rd 2008 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 3rd 2008 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
When I get my new router, being able to copy the network settings/password etc from the laptop to my PSP via USB would be awesome, they should do this in a firmware upgrade...that way I dont have to type everything in via the on-screen keyboard (which is horrible for WPA keys).]]>Jan 3rd 2008 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
Vista is the same way, it has been totally dumbed down for the average user.

For those IT guru's you will have to relearn where everything is and how to do it. But hey that's why you're an IT guru..]]>Jan 4th 2008 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/
i'll say au revoir to windows rally and just say bonjour

call me when microsoft do something new or actually impressive]]>Jan 3rd 2008 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/microsoft-announces-windows-rally-network-device-framework-show/Jan 4th 2008 1:13PM