http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/ Engadget Comments for Airport Extreme owners not happy to be left out of Time Capsule http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
And so you know, Apple's customer service is great. I had to use it once to get a Might Mouse replacement (Yeah, the scroll ball -while being a great design concept- sucked balls [lololol]) and I must say that Apple Customer service was very helpful and understanding about the whole situation. Although, where most people go wrong, is that they start off being angry with the guy on the other end of the phone for something that's not his fault and thus they don't get as great customer service as the guy who is polite - they're only humans after all...]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
here's the key .... you ready

set the time machine up with the drive physically connected to your computer, THEN connect it to the base station. when you mount it time machine will backup.

you do have to still mount the drive tho. NLA incorporated into the scheme [maybe through automator] would automount the drive. its actually backing up right now... wirelessly... from my couch.

yeay.

i also think its wicked i can backup my Vista desktop to this same hdd, its hfs+ formatted.]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/There is a reason for the lack of support. ]]>Jan 21st 2008 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
So now, after all of this, I find that they're abandoning Airport Extreme for Time Capsule! WONDERFUL. Thanks Apple!]]>Jan 21st 2008 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Now here comes the real fun:
Wait two days for the disk sharing on your Airport Extreme to stop working.

That's what kills me. I don't care about Time Machine. I want to use mine as a home server and it crashes on me repeatedly.]]>Jan 21st 2008 8:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
but what really annoys me is that i just had to disconnect the two 320gb discs i had cause the extreme died and took everything with it. ]]>Jan 22nd 2008 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
I'm so confused. Thanks Apple.]]>Jan 21st 2008 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
In fact, i can backup to a USB drive on an Airport Extreme!]]>Jan 21st 2008 2:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
In fact, i can backup to a USB drive on an Airport Extreme!"

Now there is some irony for you...]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
In fact, i can backup to a USB drive on an Airport Extreme!"

In fact, we have been able to do this as a (get this) FREE FEATURE (how much did you pay for your OSX service pack aka tiger again) of windows since windows 95.]]>Jan 21st 2008 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Ha. I use *nuchs. And as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft's Black Night and it's mere flesh wounds aren't really a place to talk about pain from.

Yes. Horrible joke. Really though, Canonical is awesome.]]>Jan 21st 2008 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Vista users can back up wherever they want sure, but still are more prone to strange failures. I still use XP, but on my Macs I use Leopard. This is far from a "disaster" for the common user. Besides a backup over wireless is NOT the fast way to get 'er done.]]>Jan 21st 2008 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
See, what you like might not be what others like. Because you had problems doesn't mean everyone did.]]>Jan 21st 2008 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
I never said I was writing any more than my opinion, but many agree with me, demanding reverts to XP.

The truth is, Vista won a few worst of the year awards and I agree. As for my personal exp., it crashed my machine hard, needing several reinstalls. When it was working, the settings/prefs were implemented terribly, and I had absolutely no reason to bear the pain, so I sold it on ebay.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
that's apple all right.]]>Jan 21st 2008 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
They have been dishing out some piles of sh*t lately.]]>Jan 21st 2008 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
They haven't given in yet and never gave it are two different things. We've only had one update to Leopard since the retail release. The developer builds did allow for network use of Time Machine but it was very buggy.

Even Engadget acknowledges that it may come with 10.5.2. One thing is for certain, Even if you had a Time Capsule right now you could use it for Time Machine backups until this 10.5.2 comes out. The ability just isn't in 10.5.1 yet. This does point to a good chance that it will enabled for all remote drives soon, and if it isn't a simple hack will surely trick Time Machine into thinking it's a valid remote drive.

Either way, I think we should hold off our torches and pitchforks until 10.5.2 comes out.

]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Are you an Apple shareholder REALLY (REALLY) unhappy with the drop in Apple stock price? Because my god you are acting like one.

"even if the article can be seen as negative to mactards such as yourself, it doesn't make it any less true. apple promised support, never gave it. however, if you would like to pay more for our exclusive model with that feature that should have come with it anyway...

that's apple all right."

Using the dictionary widget on my dashboard, "Promise" is: A declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or guarantees that a particular thing may happen.

Saying that they had a feature before Leopard was released then pulled it isn't "promising" you anti-Apple twit. Look at Vista!]]>Jan 21st 2008 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
""Promise" is: A declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing" -- kizorblade

if a company prints literature saying it will do it, then that is a DECLARATION. therefore, it said it will do something and then didn't deliver. that's a broken promise to me.]]>Jan 21st 2008 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Missed that important quote, sorry.]]>Jan 21st 2008 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
companies put that on ANY unreleased product to come. it's common practice. what's NOT common practice is when companies promise things and then not deliver citing "subject to change." the fact remains that it was promised, and not delivered. you'd be cheesed if you bought a new car and it didn't have any airbags because on some previous press release, they noted "subject to change."

but then again, you're living in the steve jobs reality distortion field.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 1:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 22nd 2008 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Sorry, but people that use Apple products (by choice, of course) are going to have to get used to it. Apple has an ingenious marketing strategy; no other company in the tech world can hold a candle to the Apple hype machine. Unfortunately, it fosters a dubious relationship with some customers.]]>Jan 21st 2008 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
They should be forcibly split into a software company, and a hardware company, and the evil TPM should be banned from use in the EU and Japan.

...then Google should port sketchup to *nix with WINE libs and cosign Ubuntu.]]>Jan 21st 2008 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
This sort of 'planning' from Apple encourages hacking of their products. Maybe that's their secret plan?]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
My initial reaction to Time Capsule was "Neat - I want one of them!" until I realised I'd already brought a product which I thought would do exactly the same thing (and can, with a little hacking).

Must... resist...]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH CONSUMERS THESE DAYS!?!

when you buy a product, you get what you paid for... that's it. if a company releases future updates to fix things for free, great, but when a NEW VERSION (as in hardware) of your product is released with new features, GOOD GOD STOP COMPLAINING. that's how technology works! welcome to the 21st century! (or hell, even the 20th century)

i'm not an Apple fanboy at all, in fact the only Apple products i own are an iPhone and iPod, but it's not hard to realize how stupid the argument is that apple should instantly upgrade everyone's hardware to the newest version because we happened to buy it before the new release.

ridiculous! can you imagine buying a 2007 model of a car right before the 2008 models come out, and then demanding that the car lot refund you or exchange your model for the newest? or even worse, SUING the car lot for not warning you of the 2008 release?

does no one else understand this?!]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
What I hope Apple with figure out is that I'm not going to pay $200+ to replace a perfectly good Airport Extreme just so I can make network backups. Even worse (for them), I've got no real incentive to upgrade the Macbooks in the house to Leopard now, since it seems like Time Machine is the only real compelling new feature here, so by pulling this, they're missing out on my upgrade dollars.]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
I brought an Airport Exteme and USB disk for the wireless NAS functionality. Wired NAS/Wireless NAS - really, there shouldn't be a difference from an operating system and user perspective. That's the whole point! Why shouldn't it work as a Time Machine disk, network throughput issues being equal?

Is there honestly any significantly different hardware in the Time Capsule compared to an Exteme and attached disk? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. And that's why I'm surprised as a relatively well-informed consumer when my existing hardware doesn't work with a much-touted feature for an operating system I've paid good money for.

You don't expect to have to buy a new printer with every OS release, for instance, right? The functionality comes from the OS, not the hardware.

Hopefully this'll get fixed, and per my earlier comment, there's always the hacks.]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
i can see how people think the original airport SHOULD have support NAS. the fact is, when it was released, it didn't, and that was made known for anyone who spent 30 seconds looking into it. (that's why i didn't buy the extreme when it came out)]]>Jan 21st 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Listen, Apple did not remove the feature. It is still listed in Apple's Radar issue and bug tracking system as open, which means it is being worked on and should be released in 10.5.2, if not then sometime soon thereafter.

Thanks for your patience.]]>Jan 21st 2008 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 22nd 2008 6:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
EXACTLY. I paid a premium for a router that advertised supporting backups to an attached USB drive. Then, one day, without mention, they release an update that takes away that very important feature. This is NOT what I paid for.]]>Feb 22nd 2008 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/feed://discussions.apple.com/rss/rssmessages.jspa?threadID=1342133]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/Jan 21st 2008 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/21/airport-extreme-owners-not-happy-to-be-left-out-of-time-capsule/
Keep those doors closed, Apple.]]>Jan 21st 2008 3:52PM