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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[You mention "Previous Lockdown Articles"... curious, I clicked on the "lockdown" hyperlink to view all these previous articles... It only returns this article... why is that?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[EskimoPie]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 2:36PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[do a search and quit whining. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[OneLove]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 2:41PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[The vulnerability here is not that they used wireless, but that they used very *crude* wireless.  If they'd used a cheap Bluetooth chip, they would've made it much harder to crack.  Not perfect, but harder.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[John Stracke]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 2:41PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[Not really. Bluetooth or any other transmission type wouldn't improve the system because the hack demonstrated involves simply putting out a strong transmission on the same frequency as the alarm so that the base unit can only hear the portable radio. Even with Bluetooth you could simply use the frequency for BT and jam it out so long as your transmitter is more powerful than the transmitters in the alarm sensors. The real fix would be something like my ADT alarm has. If a sensor is no longer reachable by the master panel then it trips the alarm. So in the case of my alarm at home you couldn't defeat it this way because making the master panel deaf to the sensors only makes the police show up :)  It's kinda lame that this alarm system couldn't implement that simple enhancement to check and see if the sensors were reachable. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 3:50PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA["Even with Bluetooth you could simply use the frequency for BT and jam it out so long as your transmitter is more powerful than the transmitters in the alarm sensors." -- Yes, but it's a lot easier to find a walkie-talkie than something to swamp the entire 2.4GHz band.  (If you don't cover the whole thing, it'll find an unused channel--that's what spread spectrum is for.)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[John Stracke]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 3:55PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[For $445 USD I can block Bluetooth...<br><br><a href="http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/wireless-jammer-114698.php" rel="nofollow">http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/wireless-jammer-114698.php</a><br><br><a href="http://www.magnumtelecom.com/Pages/jammers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.magnumtelecom.com/Pages/jammers.htm</a><br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 6:16PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA["For $445 USD I can block Bluetooth..." -- Fine, but that's a higher bar than this device is trying to block.  Someone who's got $445 to invest in their criminal career is not a casual, opportunistic thief.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[John Stracke]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:08PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[Just for the record, when the Captain of Road Prison 36 said it, the line was "...failure to communicate!" not "...a failure..." :)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Dom]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 2:51PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[Jeez such a long article for such an easy answer<br><br>DOG <br><br>Not one of those little yappers a real dog, a German Shepard(mix) can easily be found in the pound and you get a great companion!  I have three dogs so I am a bit crazy, but let me tell you I can leave the house wide open and no robber is coming near me.  <br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 3:22PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[Really?  Are you dogs both bullet/knife proof?   A dog will stop casual burglars, but certainly not those who are determined.<br><br>Some quick research:<br><br>"In another study, the following question was asked of 589 convicted property offenders:<br><br>How effective is each of the following likely to be in preventing burglary, breaking and entering and grand theft?<br><br>0 - not effective 1 - somewhat effective 2 - very effective<br><br>Monitored burglar alarms[8] 1.51<br>Electronic sensors in windows 1.35<br>Closed circuit TV cameras in stores 1.31<br>Private security patrols 1.14<br>***DOG IN HOUSE 1.11***<br>Weapons in home 1.10<br>Guardhouses protecting homes 1.07<br>Random police foot patrols 1.05<br>Better exterior lighting 1.02<br>"Neighborhood Watch" programs 0.98<br>Safes/strong boxes 0.83<br>Local burglar alarms 0.83<br>Deadbolt lock 0.79<br>Timed interior lights 0.78[9]"]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:18PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[Yes but a dog can, and in many examples has, taken a bullet/knife for their owner (in the news all the time) the monitered alarm, will just call the cops to come find my body.  It would crush me to have one of my dogs killed, but better than me or wife or daughter.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:35PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[If I were to purchase the LaserShield system, I wouldn't advertise it with their stickers and yard signs.  That's when you invite the thief to come in with his cheap walkie-talkie and defeat the sensors.  If you don't advertise what kind of system you have, the chances of your early detection working and getting the police on the way are much better.  Honestly, what criminal would carry a walkie-talkie with him/her into a home invasion unless he/she knew there was a LaserShield installed because of the huge signs and stickers outside the house.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Cru Jones]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 3:46PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[That's why you advertise a DIFFERENT type of security system outside of your house. They break in trying to use the methods to foil the specific type of system and...OOPS! They used the wrong method because you advertised a different one! (just thought of that. I'm sure there are a few errors here, though)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jarhead2012]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:11PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA["But if your locks will not adequately protect you, then what will?"<br><br>US Constitution, two amendments in. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[FThorn]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 3:58PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[*High Five!*]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Cherry]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:20PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[See above research.  That's somewhat effective, but even less so than having a dog, and much less than having a monitored alarm.<br><br>I guess you get to feel like John Wayne though.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:21PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[My point exactly.  Nothing a Desert Eagle can't handle.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 4:43PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[you are more likely to harm yourself or your family with a gun than stop an intruder.  but hey, to each their own.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[neil]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 4th 2008 1:01PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA["Fine, but that's a higher bar than this device is trying to block. Someone who's got $445 to invest in their criminal career is not a casual, opportunistic thief."<br><br>How cheap do you think a Motorola radio + programming cable and software is? Plus you probably want a 5watt model instead of a 1watt to ensure that you overpower the transmitters. I imagine you would easily pay $400+ for that. The demonstration in the video is something a career criminal would do. How would a casual thief know to look in to the frequency used and get a radio and program it to that and then use it to break in to your house? ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 6:23PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[i used to sell lasershield at compusa. we received training on them. it's the most ridiculously easy to disarm security system ever. they have a mute button on them that will shut them up for 30 seconds, which is long enough to smash them and rip out the speaker, or toss them into a toilet tank if you need to be stealthy.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[instant rice]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 31st 2008 6:25PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[I was the buyer at Circuit City for this product... the CompUSA salesperson has no idea what he is talking about.... There is no mute button... There is a bypass button but that can only be activated before the unit is armed... Once armed, the unit is hidden from site and is not accessible by a burglar... It can send a signal via POTS, high-speed internet, or GSM connection... With the GSM adapter, there is not need to even worry about cut phone lines... I guess that is why CompUSA went out of business.... Their sales people do not know any thing.... Good luck at McDonalds, instant rice....]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[oofus]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 1st 2008 11:12AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[I have owned and used a Lasershield system for more than a year - and I've been very happy with it.  Here's what I went through.<br><br>I almost bought an ADT system, and I'm glad I didn't.  I replied to one of those ADT postcards that says it cost less than $100, and it would be installed for me.  A sales guy showed up, and by the time he was through, he had me convinced that I needed a $1800 system or I wouldn't be safe.  And I had to lock in to a 2 year contract for about $40 per month.  I have to admit, the guy was a good salesman.  But when the installer showed up (10 days later), I was having buyers remorse.  And the installer looked like he had just been released from prison - tattoos all over his arms, etc.  I got the feeling that he installed alarms by day and broke into houses by night.  I called the ADT sales guy and cancelled on the spot.<br><br>I'd heard an ad for Lasershield on the radio, so I went out and bought one.  I have to agree with the author of this article - this was really easy to set up and install.  I was mentally prepared for an afternoon of frustration and calls to customer support.  It honestly took less than ten minutes to set up.  I tested it, and an alarm went off that made me want to get out of the house.  I took about ten more minutes to sign up for monitoring (I did it online - not using the paper form that came in the box).  After you sign up for monitoring, you have to test it by pushing the panic button.  The siren went off. a call came about 20 seconds later.  I answered the call, entered the password, and bingo! I had a monitored alarm system in my house.  It took about 10 seconds to teach my wife how to use it.  If you can use your car alarm, you can use this.  Honestly, my thought was "Why didn't somebody come up with this about 20 years ago?  <br><br>The cost for the hardware was about one-tenth what ADT had racked up on me, and the monthly fees are about half of what ADT was going to charge.  And I feel really safe.  I suppose the author of this article has a valid point - he seems to be pretty knowledgeable - but I just don't imagine people in my neighborhood walking around with walkie talkies trying to break into houses.  There have been a few burglaries in my neighborhood in the past two years - but it's just been punks taking advantage of an unlocked front door, and running in and grabbing something.<br><br>I suppose the author has a valid point, but I guess that every alarm system out there has weaknesses that professional thieves can take advantage of.  I'm not trying to protect Fort Knox.  I'm trying to keep the punks from grabbing my home theater or my laptop.  Now I arm the system every time I leave the house - even if it's just to walk the dog.  Sorry if I sound like a salesperson or something, but after _almost_ buying from ADt, and then the experience I had with Lasershield, I really like this product.  I feel very safe with it.  And my home owner's insurance went down by $80 per year.  In a few years, that will pay for the system.  (BTW, after I set it up, I bought two more of the motion detectors to guard my back door and garage door.  Now that I knew how to do it, it took about one minute to set up each one.)]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Guy]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 1st 2008 11:00PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[I read somewhere that all one needs to do it take the phone off the hook upon entering the house and that defeats the response call.  Sound right?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[bcope01]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 5th 2008 10:13PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[It depends on which phone. And if you have the high speed connection the connection is supervised and messing with phones won’t work. But you need to use an UPS system. A burglar never knows what your configuration is. If you have LaserShield’s GSM solution it’s pretty much bullet proof against a burglar circumventing the system if you hide the main box under a bed or out of sight. I own one and it’s very fast at communicating it’s signals. Once the signal gets out who cares what they do to the alarm. It’s too late.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruby]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 6th 2008 4:41PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[I just have the basic Lasershield system.  I suppose that if a burglar could get to the phone and get it off-hook before the system sends a message to the monitoring service, then he would probably prevent the message from going out.  But at the same time, the siren is blasting - probably driving him nuts.  A professional thief might try to get the phone off hook - but I don't think I'm a target for professional thieves.  I have the average things you'd find in an average house in an average American neighborhood.  The Ocean's 11 team isn't going to target my house, and I feel pretty confident that this system will protect me from random casual thieves.  Maybe it's not perfect, but heck - nothings perfect.  When I look at the protection I get vs. how low-cost and simple it was to buy and set up, I think this system offers good bang for the buck.  If you have bars of gold on your living room table, don't get this system.  If you're just an average person, I think it's pretty good.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Guy]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 13th 2008 5:42AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on The Lockdown: Lasershield - convenient, cost effective, potentially vulnerable]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/31/the-lockdown-lasershield-convenient-cost-effective-potentia/</guid><description><![CDATA[I was a bit bemused by the idea that anyone would even consider putying up a sign informing thieves about the exact sort of alarm system being used-- maybe it's just to ensure that only high-class thieves that can afford powerful 2-way radios would break into your home (I mean, does anyone say, "I wouldn't want any of that low-class trash robbing me-- I want only upper-class badguys!"?)<br><br>The research about what thieves avoid is interesting, especially since "monitored burglar alarms" is at the very top, way above "weapons in home" (of course, the study only included robbers who had been caught-- we don't know about the more skilled or lucky ones)).  Given that fact, the LaserShield does seem like an inexpensive way of keeping at least a large percentage of thieves from robbing your house.<br><br>Of course, the only way that a monitored alarm will deter burglars from trying to break into your house is if you have a sign or stickers saying that you have a monitored system (the signs needn't specify which system, to avoid 2-way radios).  Given the research cited, there's something even cheaper than the LaserShield, though.<br><br>Just put up some nice, professional-looking 'monitored alarm' warning signs, and if you want to get fancy maybe a little box with a battery-powered flashing red LED that can be seen through a window.  It'll cost you maybe $20.  The amateurs will hit your neighbor's house instead (why risk the monitored alarm?)-- the real pros will get through any alarm you've got, if they want to badly enough, or else go in (ignoring the siren), grab the computer and wide-screen TV, and be gone before the cops get there anyway.<br><br>As long as we're only keeping out the amateurs, the teenages punks, and the whacked-out looking for something to pawn for drugs, the plain sign seems as effective as anything else, and is certainly the cheapest way to go!<br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Padre]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Feb 21st 2008 11:21PM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>