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Well I for one like Germany's government better than Americas...outsourcing all our damn work and letting illegals take the leftover jobs because they don't secure the boarder....

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Since you're gone get into recession i want to be the first who offers you a job at the Nokia plant in RO, obviously without papers, so you can fed your obese family back in US.

PEACE]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
That's not fair to the people of the town w/ an empty (often unusable) plant or the investment made.

Many have a clause to keep people in place for X years. I wonder if Nokia's 10 year commitment was up.
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Well that are not the numbers published in Germany. Nokia only said that the labour costs account for 5% of the total costs and that only these labour cost are gonna be less in Romania.]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
Also, the play of words "labour costs" might mean anything. From my personal knowledge of business in Germany (live here for 6+ years), costs related to employment of people account for 50-75% of expenses. Equipment and hardware in comparison to employment costs nothing.]]>Feb 6th 2008 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/People should see the other side of the story too as Nokia is building whole infrastructure next to this Romanian plant and brings cash to this university town that name i cant remember now.]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Is it that hard to look on internet for the name of a city ?
(google, yahoo, etc can help you).
And that city ain't famous only for the university or around an university.
Besides that there is also an other aspect nobody talks about: in Germany there will be 2300 people fired, in Romania the factory will have at full capacity 7000 people employed. So, in the worst case Nokia can move the whole work force from Germany to Romania, and still have room for double that number.]]>Feb 6th 2008 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
That the NRW.Bank (the entity that wants the money back) doesn't let Nokia take a view at their files is a bit weird imho.



Anyway, some populistic German politicians will surely cry in joy now because they can exploit the whole farce a little while longer...]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
And it is North Rhine-Westphalia in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/nope, i meant "new Romanian plant is expected to cost just a tenth of the Bochum plant to operate" is not what has been communicated in german media, that's why i thought bollocks.
@pundit:
you're right, seems I'm wrong. Thought I learned that you shouldn't translate state/city-names. But then again... you live and learn, so do i ;).

That raises another question from me, why do you have english signs in a german state?(assuming you do mean "road signs")... ]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
Nowadays only well-established translations are used, and in some cases original names are replacing the translated/localised names (Bombay -> Mumbai, for example).

As for English road signs in some places in Germany - well, there was this little incident called World War II, which had some certain consequences...]]>Feb 6th 2008 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
Good luck hanging onto that job when a more literate, less demanding immigrant drops off his CV.]]>Feb 13th 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
I can understand that it hurts, I worked in a 7000+ person factory before, when it closed. But German workers receive such extreme protection and compensation... My colleague from Germany goes on a 1-month holiday tomorrow. He will do another one in September. His overtime is fully compensated (while I work as much as needed with 40 hours paid only) and the leave package is measured in years for Germans. (Don't know the exact Nokia case of course.)

So, every other mobile phone manufacturer has left Germany already - they are trying to pump the last one for the full bill? :-)]]>Feb 6th 2008 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/regarding the cost is the tenth part:
in germany a person would get 1600euro per month, while in Romania, for EXACTLY the same position a romanian receives aprox. 172euro per month.

Now, you do the calculations]]>Feb 6th 2008 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Only an idiot would stay in Germany and pay it's workers about 1200 - 1500 USD. I still wonder, why Nokia hasn't moved it's plant to China.
And don't expect cheaper nokias after they move from Germany to Romania.]]>Feb 6th 2008 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
BTW for those pissed of about outsourcing in this case? You should have told Reagan to shut up about tearing the wall down. I for one wish it would have stayed up. Maybe then Germany would still be the third largest economic power.]]>Feb 6th 2008 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
Shut the fuck* up, retard.]]>Feb 6th 2008 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/My dear 'tard friend, you are just frustrated, get over it. God bless America because you are all "so very well educated"

@benjamin
Sa-ti pape mama ta pula de german superior romanilor.
-=Translated=-
You are right 110%.

@Pro7
The average salary in Romania is 500$/month and increasing because the usd is going down.
Nu fi idiot si da informatii false... sugi pula si tu....]]>Feb 6th 2008 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/Feb 6th 2008 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/germany-demands-60-5-million-from-astonished-nokia/
It has been said that German government has been also helping a similar profitable plant/production transfer from Finland to Germany by giving support for the German unit. With this move 450 jobs were lost in March 2000. When comparing population of Finland and Germany this would mean more than 7 000 jobs lost in Germany to get same effect in unemployment figures. Fair? No, but global economy has this effect...]]>Feb 6th 2008 3:05PM