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This is a really big deal in terms of the arrival of a monopolistic processor market.

Fool.]]>Feb 7th 2008 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
what the hell is wrong with them over there? i'm 15, and i could do a hell of a better job keeping them afloat then whoever that guy is.

they need to SERIOUSLY focus on whatever they got after the Phenom serious otherwise..

palm seems to be in a similar situation in terms of what the problem is. they can't seem to figure out who they want to sell to (and for AMD what they want to sell)]]>Feb 7th 2008 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 11:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
AMD have made some great processors in the past and i'm sure they will make great processors in the future.]]>Feb 7th 2008 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/if they are alive]]>Feb 8th 2008 12:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/So you were about to "buy one of those babys as a home server" based on the processors that AMD **USED** to make or **COULD** make in the future?!

I don't think I agree with your police work there 100%.]]>Feb 8th 2008 8:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Oh, sorry ATI, didn't hear you. Yeah, I'm sure you'll have fun at the party, we just don't feel like going.]]>Feb 7th 2008 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
INTEL = IBM in the late 70's]]>Feb 7th 2008 11:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Dell's offerings, or AMD?]]>Feb 7th 2008 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
So AMD I'm still with you (I've always been since I compared my first computer, a Pentium II with a cousin's AMD K6, both were bleeding edge at that time.. 1998 LOL), and _screw you_ Dell....]]>Feb 7th 2008 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
But like I mentioned above though with desktops, AMDs dominate the low-mid range in mobile price/performance too...the TK-XX Turions can be had for the same price as Celerons or crappy T2000 series Core Duo's, and are better performers.]]>Feb 7th 2008 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
I'm on a E6750 at 3.6 Ghz with the stock cooler. 35c core temps. ]]>Feb 7th 2008 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
BTW, the E6750 can go beyond 4GHz.... not THAT is overclocking :-O]]>Feb 7th 2008 11:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 8:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/]]>Feb 7th 2008 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
But to some of the posts, yes, it really matters little for the 75% to 80% of users.]]>Feb 13th 2008 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 11:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Below this message, there was a big (really big) SPAM message, I replied to that... but then engadget deleted the SPAM message but not my reply to it, and the system moved it to this comment]]>Feb 7th 2008 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 11:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Intel is not a monopoly. Dell did not have to make the deals. HP and IBM didn't. And it didn't stifle innovation. AMD's CPUs and chipsets are superior. Also look at 64bit, if AMD hadn't extended the x86 Intel never would have, in fact Intel didn't even want to until AMD did and started selling. Perfect example of free market where the customer benefits.]]>Feb 13th 2008 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
AMD were the only Dell PCs listed as Energy Star compliant. In fact, they still are:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/energystar?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

AMD is the only processor I see listed.]]>Feb 7th 2008 10:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
BTW don't get me wrong, If your buying a PC/Building a PC/Getting a laptop and money is no object, Insist on Core 2, awesome chips :D I have a Q6600 in my Desktop. This price premium doesn't seem to exist so much on desktop versions. (I know the mobile chips cost more, but not THAT more, hundreds of dollars in price difference my ass)]]>Feb 7th 2008 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Why? Because as I said before I like AMD and that's my prerogative.
]]>Feb 7th 2008 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Is AMD your godfather? Did it save your dog?



I buy the best product in the price range I am looking. That's my prerogative. It strikes me as odd that anyone would do anything else.

I guess AMD marketing has managed to hook at least one guy, though...]]>Feb 8th 2008 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Your comment:
"Just remember, AMD isn't dead. Dell amongst others are going to put ATI GPU in their future notebook lines. Still I wish AMD could produce more powerful/efficient processors."

That makes no sense. AMD makes very powerfull and efficient processors. In reality, they are on a par in many respects. At any given time, they leap-frog each other as to who has the fastest clock vs who has the best power rating vs who has the most cache or whatever. Where AMD really shines is in the direct connect architecture. The front side bus is archaic and performs poorly compared with an AMD system.

Now, when you are talking about GPUs, sorry, nVidia owns that space in my opinion-especially since I run Linux and nVidia drivers are up to date and reliable (of course for gaming it's mostly Windows 2000 Pro (small memory foot print, easier to streamline) and XP in some cases). I'm sure there will be those who tout the Radeon or whatever but for my familiy's gaming usage, it's all GeForce.]]>Feb 13th 2008 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
So fuck you Dell, you're just giving me more reasons to hate you and your corporate tie$.]]>Feb 7th 2008 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 11:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 8th 2008 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Yeah, corporations are evil. What a stupid ignorant statement. Without these so-called evil greedy corporations, where would the world of technology be? Nowhere. Tell you what. You try to build a computer system from scratch-I'm talking about at the silicon level. It can be done. What's that? Your computer would cost tens of thousands of dollars for just one because you'd have to buy the chip manufacturing machines, wait, an evil corporation makes those chip systems, so you hate evil corporations so you don't want to buy one. And so on. And then there are the evil drug companies, you don't want to get sick and need medicine, because the cure comes from the billions of dollars that an evil corporation invested in creating that drug.

Without evil, greedy corporations, we'd still be in the dark ages, live truly horrid lives. Pounding out a menial and manual living.

You may want that but I sure don't. So, get rid of all your things that come from corporations, divest your investments, since you don't want to be part of such a horrible thing as an evil, greedy corporation, and go live in some commune somewhere...also, your name sure is a misnomer...]]>Feb 13th 2008 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/Feb 7th 2008 10:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
The EU? All that would do would be to stifle the market and make things worse. Why do you folks always go crying to the government like a bunch of babies. Vote with your dollars, show Dell this is a mistake by buying from a vendor that still sells AMD on the desktop.

Government involvement in the market always is a bad thing.

]]>Feb 13th 2008 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Real world comparisons are rubbish. RUBBISH I tell you. With how much processing is done by other components on board, there just isin't any apples-to-apples comparison you can do these days.

Sure, back when there was one socket to go around and you plugged whatever you bought into it and it worked--that was differnt. Nothing other than the CPU changed, so that was a true comparison.

But now you got northbridge and southbridge doing stuff that the CPU used to have to do--not to mention dedicated chips for networking, sound, USB hosts, wireless, etc. which all do their own parts. So there isn't a way to test if one CPU is faster than the other. The boards are so radically different, that it's not worth it.

I buy what I know will work. I read online forums, and I read opnions on the websites that I buy my product from. I also ask local stores and what they see coming back in.

But at the end of the day, I buy AMD. They have a good track record as far as making chips that are reasonable priced that have a fairly good lifespan before they are considered 'phased out'. They also keep a pretty even keel when it comes to sockets.

Yes, I got burned by the AM2+ socket, but that is okay. I need a new motherboard anyway.

And I have seen more Intel CPU's fail than AMD CPU's. But that's just my opinion. It is based on the PIV systems I built that came back to me within a month and the CPU just... I don't know. They just failed. They didn't overheat, they just failed. Stopped. Ceased. No POST error, just nothing. Like the CPU wasn't even in the socket. Poof. gone. The motherboards were fine, the CPU just kicked the bucket for unknown reasons.

None of the AMD systems I have ever configured have ever come back with that kind of vauge problem. The motherboards have fried, or the CPU has gone up in smoke--but never just this "Meh, we won't work anymore. Not going to tell you why either." stuff.

So you buy what you buy. At the end of the day, it lets you do stuff on it and that is that. If you absolutely need to have the fastest thing in the world--chances are you have the cash to buy a new computer every month when something new comes out.

Good for you.]]>Feb 7th 2008 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Time is money... your time just seems be to lacking in value.]]>Feb 7th 2008 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
Stop using things that they weren't designed for, and maybe you won't be wasting your oh so valuable time.]]>Feb 8th 2008 12:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
So please do us all a favor and stop inventing BS on the fly. A laptop is intended to allow you to do your damn job on the go. That is the PRIMARY purpose of a laptop. This whole it wasn't designed to do that...can you even type something like that without thinking its crap? Next you will tell me that Dell, HP, et al should scrap their workstation class hardware because CAD\CAM\ graphic artists should settle for more moderate hardware because its the standard. Gah...Sometimes I wonder why I even come to this site. I see this insane rational way too often. Makes me want to kick a kitten or something. ]]>Feb 8th 2008 1:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/07/dell-stops-selling-amd-powered-machines-online/
the day I show any interest in AMD is they day they bring out another decent processor like the AMD64]]>Feb 8th 2008 4:28AM