http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/ Engadget Comments for Spy bill passes Senate with carrier immunity http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
"If you aren't willing to give up your civil liberties you must be a terrorist!"

Well, the UK has gave up tons of theirs and don't appear to be immune to terrorist attacks either, as seen from the London train bombings a while back. See what good those cameras did them.]]>Feb 13th 2008 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
Go on, find yourself a rock and hide. I live in America.]]>Feb 13th 2008 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 9:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
I am glad someone brought up the UK.. They are socialists trying to appease the criminals and Terrorists (they are JUST LIKE the Democratic Party in what they want to do to this Country). The Brits have banned KNIVES for heaven sake! They had a knife amnesty...people turning in the last weapon of defense they were allowed to have. That Country is in Great trouble. Now, we have some socialist states right here in the USA, like NJ. But we should see NJ as an example of how bad it will get.

And addressing the core argument here on this article: Correct me if I am wrong, but while reading the Constitution, I just cannot seem to find the Right to Privacy anywhere (and yes, I have read the Amendments too). Can someone help me find that? Thanks!
]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/................
(a few posts earlier by the same gentleman)
"a vote for hussein obama is a vote for terrorism"

O_o

I'm no supporter of Obama at all. In fact, I'm a conservative. But you're making people like me look like jackasses. People read your crap and think that's how we all think. Some of us have real reasons to not vote for him, not your stupid hate-filled bullshit.]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
However tenuous their labeling as communists may be, there is frighteningly more correlation between our current (and mostly likely future McCain-led) administration and the ideology defined on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism. In fact, there is virtually no characteristic listed that doesn't apply to some degree to the state of our nation over the last seven years. I say give me national health care and the evils of a "classless" society over anything listed on that page.]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/I think the 3rd, 4th and 5th amendments make it pretty clear. There is also this little thing about Liberty in the Constitution, which I believe refers to individual sovereignty, which I would imagine includes being able to keep things private. Is it explicitly said? No, but it seems clear to me given the reason this country was founded that your ability to keep things to those you deem need to know was a significant part of the plan.

Beyond that your view of America, and the world for that matter, is twisted. Since when was social consciousness equal to socialism? The UK are socialists? You would have had a little more weight in your argument if you had pointed to MA instead of NJ as a socialist state, at least they have universal healthcare which I'm sure scares you. I don't think it's socialism to think everyone should get paid a fair wage, or that it is wrong for someone to loose their home because they get sick, or their job gets outsourced or cut, I'd call that being a decent human being. There was a time the American motto was United We Stand Divided We Fall, I guess now it's Me, Myself and I.]]>Feb 13th 2008 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
Actually, "Homeland" is an almost verbatim translation of "Heimatland", which--while not Nazi per se--was certainly in rigorous use during that period. In a non-political context it's still OK to use in German, but politically it definitely has uncomfortable "Fatherland" connotations, and thus I find the choice of "Homeland" very strange and somewhat disturbing.]]>Feb 13th 2008 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
It's the Fourth Amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." that IS the right to privacy. That's what privacy MEANS. By "secure," that means private. By "searches," that means monitoring. What part of this is so difficult to understand?

The REAL question is, why the heck are you so much in a hurry for the American government to take away YOUR right to having private conversations with your friends and families, and business dealings?

-Scott]]>Feb 13th 2008 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
> I'm not a racist but [...] your on the White team and you should not vote for the other team as they wouldnt vote for yours.

Wow, I must be out of my mind to even respond to this drivel, but yeah, you're a racist.]]>Feb 13th 2008 8:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 14th 2008 1:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Function:noun
secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose]]>Feb 13th 2008 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 9:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
For anyone who supports Obama, count how many votes he's skipped on. His record is almost as bad as hers. I'd say that her being too busy working on her CAMPAIGN shows me that she cares more about being our next President.

Anyway, McCain, Obama, and Clinton have skipped out on most of the votes. *Notes that Engadget didn't point this out*]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
What speaks louder: saying you are for civil liberties and not showing up? or showing up and voting proving that you are there for the fight and long haul on this topic?

Clinton isn't horrible if she wasn't such a lobbyist's wetdream. She takes the lobbyist's money and lets the issue be forgotten.]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00020

I'm absolutely fine with Obama and Clinton skipping votes to work on their campaign.

Anyway, don't see anyone hating Obama for skipping a vote 5 hours earlier. ]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
Sounds pretty important. What are your justifications for him passing on this vote? hmm?

I'm sure it will come attached with a good amount of positive spin.]]>Feb 13th 2008 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/ Hillary was in Texas, Engadget. Please take your political bias elsewhere.

And Obama spoke from Wisconsin last night but he was still around during the day to vote against the law.

Now neither Clinton or Obama did much [if anything] to help Senator Dodd try and win this fight so they are both at fault but at least we know where Obama stands on the issue. Clinton does not like to go on record so that people can ask her about it later. She complains about Obama voting present in Illinois and yet does not have a problem doing basically the same thing.]]>Feb 13th 2008 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
Clean Air Act sounds like its supposed to clean up the amount of pollution released into the air, right?

Don't judge a book by its cover.. or a legislative bill by the 1 sentence synopsis.

Justification for skipping on a vote wouuld be either:
A)you're ted kennedy off getting drunk with a hooker somewhere.
OR
B)you're vote is in the majority and not showing up for it wont be a deal breaker.

But if you are voting the way of the minority and the issue is something that you fight for.. then you show up and stand your ground..not go "ohh well we are gonna lose.. so i just wont show up".]]>Feb 13th 2008 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
Actually, Hillary left the DC area yesterday morning around 9 AM. But feel free to talk out of your ass.

Jonathan is right: bias is one thing; blatant misrepresentation of the facts is another. It is not "bias" to misreport that she was in Washington at the time of the vote, which is what Engadget has done.

Thomas: you really should update the post.]]>Feb 13th 2008 1:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/
Liberty in 2008! Ron Paul!]]>Feb 13th 2008 8:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/the government can legally tap your stuff, but the company allowing them to do it can't?
if that is true, they should be sued for being stupid. but the gov't should pass the immunity, or cancel the whole wire tap thing all together, it puts companies in a bad position. and since the telcoms can't do like google and just have the data off shore, they can't just say no too easily can they?]]>Feb 13th 2008 8:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/spy-bill-passes-senate-with-carrier-immunity/Feb 13th 2008 8:57AM