http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/ Engadget Comments for MSI ECOlution motherboard transforms chip heat into fan power http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
Anandtech has a great article on three and four gpu systems, and many budget enthusiasts with 500W PSU's aren't going to be able to keep up. Dual ATI x2's will suck up nearly 550W's, alone. Add that to the 130W quadcore processor, and you're going to need an 800W PSU just to meet the minimum req.]]>Feb 29th 2008 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
//Doing the same work but using less energy is always good, no matter what soviet_vexxer thinks]]>Feb 29th 2008 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/186

every watt matters HAHA]]>Feb 29th 2008 3:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
for what this will cost why not use something better for a desktop. laptops arent always connected to a wall.]]>Feb 29th 2008 3:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/ultra-products-unveils-2000-watt-x3-atx-power-supply/]]>Feb 29th 2008 3:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
Not that you will save alot of money being this on it's early stages (maybe later, when it's super-ultra-mass produced), it's just for technological advance's sake.. letting energy out into nothing _while_ you could recover it and do something useful with it is just not right]]>Feb 29th 2008 4:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
Taking a fan out of your pc reduces the electricity used, in turn saving energy.

Ok so this will save $1/£0.50 a year, but times that by 10million pcs, thats a lot of energy saved.

A little product that saves little but affects a LOT of people are better than one product that helps just the 5 people that can afford it.

BTW, apart from when your gaming/video editing, when do you need a quadcore 8gig ramm dual GPU rig? you dont, i have 2 pcs, one for gaming & one for everything else, saves me around £2 a week in electric.]]>Feb 29th 2008 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
i just hope people arent just going to discard this great idea in the simple and clever but not appealing to dumb people pile...]]>Feb 29th 2008 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 6:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
I have developed a cooling system that is powered by the heat from the processor but the heat is converted to electricity and powers a cooling pump which then pumps a cooling liquid to a vented system that is outside of the "box" and any extra electricity is used to power my 52" LCD TV and entertainment system. Plus holiday lights!!! ... ;)

If you believe that then I have some swamp land in Nevada to sell you!

I think this will only do enough of a job to allow your processor to overheat and fry. I need more data to actually see if this will work in a real life situation as opposed to a Sim Life computer!

Cheers!]]>Feb 29th 2008 4:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Wrong. The hotter the CPU the sooner the BSOD comes :D
I really hope they won't burn too many processors with this till they realize this CPU cooler is just not enough.
Ok, we save some power (and a bit of nature, probably, since its sooo green power) by not using CPU cooler's wattage.
How do you think, would turning off the PC for the night save more power (duh, more nature?) than this cooler?
Now the ultimate question: how many wood you need to chop down and burn to make enough electricity for the factory which makes these "green" coolers? I think not making them at all will save more power (nature?)... Being totally green doesn't make you small green presidents though.
Just my humble opinion.]]>Feb 29th 2008 4:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 5:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/What do you think that current cpu coolers grow on trees, that they currently take no engery to create. Do you actually believe what you write or is it just coming out your arse.
Without people like the Wright brothers we wouldnt have flight, do you know taht people dont fly using they're first idea. Did you know that they're first idea was a failure. It has to start somewhere. They can improve, its a good idea. ]]>Feb 29th 2008 5:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/(glass because the sun is needed obviously)
It's a very very VERY slow engine though.
Actually if you use algea in a large tank with a cylinder on the end it's faster I guess.
]]>Feb 29th 2008 6:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 6:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
just need more data...

..|..]]>Mar 4th 2008 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 4:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 5:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
So for a CPU, the slight temperature drop is great. Chilling the CPU is bad and will require more energy to move the electrons (or holes for the physics guys) around the CPU. Please don't tell me that overclocked systems need to be chilled because I know that and this doesn't apply here.

As for the green side of this topic, one million computers saving 1 Watt each = 1 MegaWatt. Not bad at all.

P.S. the article is about a particular chipset but still applies to any chips not fried yet.]]>Feb 29th 2008 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
]]>Feb 29th 2008 6:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 8:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
No offense, but it sounds like you're taking this the wrong way.

(1) This is not a CPU cooler. The picture shows a fan with a footprint too small for current processors. It'll probably cool the Northbridge/Southbridge, which usually don't need a lot of cooling.

"The CPU needs to be at a certain temperature range to function efficiently. This temperature is not the same for humans." —Generic

(2i) What?! That's definitely the other way around. I don't know about you, but we humans function best at 98.6°F.

"Chilling the CPU is bad and will require more energy to move the electrons (or holes for the physics guys) around the CPU." —Generic

(2ii) CPUs follow the typical physics of metals. Conductivity is inversely proportional to temperature, no exceptions. As a metal (or any substance) approaches absolute zero, the electric conductivity rises. Have you heard of superconductivity? Frozen, compressed helium would conduct better than room-temperature copper. The optimal temperature for energy efficiency and operating conditions is as low as possible (but above 0 K!).

Also, why are you talking about holes? Only when physicists write text books to explain why the current is visualized as running opposite the electron path are holes talked about. K.I.S.S!

And just a note to everyone: The northbridge normally doesn't need active cooling. Even in high-end boards, it'll use the ambient breeze from the CPU fan. Some high-performance-for-price (GA-P35-DS3L *AHEM*) sacrifice quality in that regard and the northbridge doesn't effectively wick away heat, but whatever.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059]]>Feb 29th 2008 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/]]>Mar 1st 2008 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
Unfortunately I find it hard to believe the process is anything more than a gimmicky. It's a giant mechanical heatsink with a novelty fan on it.]]>Feb 29th 2008 5:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
It's rubbish.]]>Feb 29th 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4654319024851860269&q=stirling+engine+hand&total=28&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3]]>Feb 29th 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
It seems pretty obvious that if the CPU can safely reach the kinds of temperatures to drive a fan at anywhere near normal fan speeds, you might as well get rid of the fan.

The key point here is that energy is lost along the way to friction, inefficient heat capture, etc. at a high rate. Hence the fan being useless showy guff.]]>Mar 1st 2008 12:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/There's no reason why you can't use gearing to speed up the fan.
You say this design is too inefficient to gain any benefit, yet when
you are using an electric fan you have 100% inefficiency because all
this heat energy is being wasted. Most of us drive to work using a
thermodynamic engine every day, I think you underestimate their
abilities. There is no free / fake energy here .. there is heat
energy and a mechanism for turning it into mechanical energy.
There's little difference between what this does and a steam engine
.. it's not some miracle machine.]]>Mar 1st 2008 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/
/sarcasm And knowing how we all just KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW MSI is the GREATEST at making efficient product this should be great! \sarcasm


< sigh >

Seriously though its going to come down to just how much the fan will spin and with what amount of heat.

I give em credit for being the first though.]]>Feb 29th 2008 5:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/msi-ecolution-motherboard-transforms-chip-heat-into-fan-power/Feb 29th 2008 9:21AM