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Dont tell me you're going to load up Engadget with 15 stories all about this one thing.
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Fred - Get real. This is a heavy-on-Apple site. What's so hard about not reading some posts?]]>Mar 6th 2008 1:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
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Sony updates the PSP firmware, MS updates the Zune firmware & pushes out stuff like IE7 and SP2 for XP, and all of those come with new features. Service Pack 2's firewall and security features have no way to grant MS further income from the OS. So why haven't these companies gotten slapped with the legal problems Apple 'claims' they would be faced with if they updated the Touch for free?

There are only two explanations:

A) Apple was incredibly stupid, and accounted for the Touch completely differently than anybody in the entire tech industry does for their products and/or did not realize its potential (If you think this is likely, I have some real estate in Florida you might be interested in...)

B) Pure money grubbing, maliciously planned from the start when they decided to account for it the way they did.


If you seriously believe this to be anything but option B, get your head out of the sand. Have previous iPod firmware updates cost any money, even if they added new features? Absolutely not. Obviously Apple knows how to do this RIGHT, but for some inexplicable reason decided not to in the case of the iPod Touch.

Apple needs to be called on the carpet for this, big time.]]>Mar 6th 2008 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
not sure, but it could be due to changes in the IRS code? I know it definitely relates to Sarbanes-Oxley, but I'm not sure why, as you pointed out, that this only affects certain products and not others that came before.

Can anyone figure this out?]]>Mar 7th 2008 3:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
It is partially because of Sarbanes Oxley. Apple records revenue for ipods differently than iphones. iphone subscription based accounting model records significant future updates in its costs. ipod touches are recorded immediately on the balance sheet and the cost of significant updates are not factored in. The costs for developing a simple update similar to older ipods is accounted for but significant costs are incurred in SDK development & new applications. net income would have to be restated on ipod touchs that were sold in older cycles if they didn't charge a fee. this is no good good.

It still doesn't make it good business though...
Apple accounting needs to consult with Apple PR before they roll out their models.

The only way I can make ipod touch owners feel better is...we iphone users pay $20 bucks a month for our service. you guys pay 20 dollars twice.]]>Mar 11th 2008 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
1-16-2008 @ 3:43PM
Gazmik Fizzwidget said...

Complain to the FTC, not to Apple. Thanks to laws passed in the wake of Enron and other accounting scandals, it's illegal for Apple to "realize value" from a product, i.e. add features to it, after it's been sold. (Presumably the idea behind this is that if a company plans ahead of time to add value to a product after it's sold, they can manipulate their own stock price.)

They can add features to the iPhone for free because they're receiving revenue from the associated AT&T subscription -- by continuing to pay your monthly fee, you're paying for the added value delivered in software updates.

It's the same reason that the 802.11n enabler costs $2; they already sold you the MacBook (Pro), so they can't add value to it without charging you.

Also, imagine it's a month or two from now and there's a third-party product that adds all these apps and features to the Touch. Would you pay $20 for that? If so, why not pay $20 to Apple?

---------------------I think that guy summed it up]]>Mar 11th 2008 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/each story or two for each slide from the powerpoint today ...]]>Mar 6th 2008 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
*Technically* its a keynote :)]]>Mar 6th 2008 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 8:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://developer.apple.com/iphone/sdk1/) in order to start. You can download this today and only need some sort of Apple user account (ADC, iTunes or Apple Store) and to register as an iPhone developer - no cost involved.]]>Mar 7th 2008 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
At least...the only way Apple wants there to be. Go go jailbreak.]]>Mar 6th 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
1) Where do we get it? [Link?]
2) It does allow us to put programs we write ourselves on our phones for "testing purposes"?
3) Can we "share code" with other people and thus let them use our apps, without going through Apple's portal? Thus, instead of breaking it, we just load up the SDK initially, write an app to share apps, and start sharing free apps now?

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the SDK itself is free

..ithink]]>Mar 6th 2008 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
i believe it happened a few months after hacking was successful]]>Mar 6th 2008 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
You do have to pay the $100 up-front fee though. It's only a 1 time deal, and honestly, when thinking about any other software anywhere for any reason, $100 isn't that out-there. Look at Adobe products, and even CD burning software. It's not the same thing, but those programs cost just as much usually. The fee is small really.]]>Mar 6th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/
TELL ME MORE!! O-O]]>Mar 6th 2008 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/]]>Mar 6th 2008 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-gets-real-available-today/Mar 6th 2008 9:02PM