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http://madowney.com/blog/2008/03/19/flash-on-the-iphone

http://www.flashdevices.net/2008/03/adobe-flash-player-coming-to-iphone.html]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
I, for one, am willing to be so selfless as to allow your heart to be toyed with (and whatever else that entails) in place of mine or anyone else's.

----

Suck it up, besides, suffering for other peope is a popular way to become famous. See, Isaac, you're a star!]]>Mar 20th 2008 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Myth: Flash sucks, I'd rather use...

Fact: Flash is the first interactive vector graphics format that combines a lightweight, and powerful just in time compiled engine/virtual machine. Can you name another? svg -no vm, ...?
Vector graphics can be small, scalable and deliver a big bang for the buck. What's not to like?

Myth: Flash sucks battery life.

Fact: This is all up to the implementation. The bottom line is anything consuming floating point processing power will eat CPU ticks, and the thus, battery. Typically, a mobile implementation would need to go idle at some point and sleep vs. redrawing all those vectors. By nature it is no more a battery eater then playing video back on the iPhone.

Myth: Steve reportedly thinks it's crud.

Fact: Steve is actually an envious bitter queen. Remember, Steve Jobs owned 17% of Adobe when Adobe first started out and thinks they owe him a great amount of gratitude. In actuality, Adobe owes Steve no more then Adobe owes Xerox Parc for researching desktop publishing technology and Apple's theft of the GUI. In 'Triumpth of the Nerds', Steve is quoted as saying 'great artist steal' and that they stole alot from Xerox Parc for their GUI, later on to say how much he hated M$ for stealing the GUI from Apple (the same GUI elements that Apple stole from Xerox Parc -who has yet to see a dime). Its one thing to change or revise one's thoughts, but in the same breath? Steve's a hypocrite!

Just as Steve is bitter over his being fired from Apple because of the Macintosh failure (READ: Macintosh was a success AFTER Jobs left –desktop publishing was then a boom and Apple’s killer app), Steve continues his personal rampage against Adobe because Adobe abandoned a lot of Mac technology as the PowerPC was outpaced by Window/Intels. Bottom line, Adobe products rock on Windows and some are just not available for Apple (Adobe Encore, Adobe OnLocation). Also because such products work exclusively with the generation of High Definition content, like creating BlueRay disc, something else you cannot do with Apple.

Overall, Jobs wants to dominate High Definition content via downloading through iTunes and ‘get back’ at Adobe, and Flash is in his way.

]]>Mar 20th 2008 12:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
While I'm not going to debate the value, or in my opinion lack thereof (way too overused, see: Flash Ads), of flash.

The problem is that there's NO way to get the full version of Flash on the iPhone and Flash lite is just WAYYY to gimped. Sorry, it's true.]]>Mar 20th 2008 12:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Did you call him a "bitter queen"? YOU DID!!!!]]>Mar 20th 2008 2:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
How wrong of Jobs, the CEO of a commercial organisation, to want to make money!?!!?]]>Mar 20th 2008 3:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Looks like we got a lying Microsoft fanboy here. That crap about Steve Jobs stealing from PARC is the biggest myth in computer history.

Apple actually licensed the GUI from PARC by giving Xerox Apple stock in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product. Xerox did not believe in the technology because the Xerox Star (which was actually released in 1981) had originally failed in the market. The Xerox Star sold poorly because it was priced out of the market, selling for $16,000 or up to $100,000 for a file and print server.

And Steve wasn't fired because the Macintosh failed. First of all, the Macintosh failed because John Sculley raised the price to 2,500, a move that Steve protested against (The Lisa had failed because of its high price and Steve didn't want to repeat that mistake). That was merely the beginning of the problems between Steve and Scully. Ultimately Steve was fired because of a power struggle with the board of directors. He was fired because he wanted to replace Sculley as CEO. The board lined up behind Sculley instead.

And oh yeah, Flash still sucks.]]>Mar 20th 2008 4:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Flash Lite 3 is just Flash 8 with a different name. It's not 'to gimped'.]]>Mar 20th 2008 6:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
But he is right, Flash content could easily run on a 333Mhz ARM processor which the iPhone has, content just needs to be optimised to do so. You have a Flash site with 1001 vectors flying around with glow, blur and god knows what else filters on, you're just slamming your head against a wall if you expect it to work on slow computers/mobile devices.
With the right use of screen size, making filter-heavy content solid PNG images instead of letting the CPU calculate the filters on the fly, use frame by frame or motion tweens instead of ActionScript for animations, you can very easily cut down the CPU consumption and make attractive sites to run on low CPU power. If iPhone Flash DOES ever come to existence, I don't think we should expect every website ever made in Flash to work right away and, much like there are HTML/CSS websites out there optimised for the iPhone, Flash sites will have to optimise themselves as well.

But we may just be jumping the gun and Apple may welcome Flash incorporation into the Safari browser, we've hardly given this time to find out.]]>Mar 20th 2008 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 20th 2008 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Flash is doable on this class of device; but of course, content that was designed by backing off until it didn't bog down a 3GHz desktop is gonna be a lovely slideshow. (And it's well known as a battery hog, because many flash apps don't stop cranking out frames when nothing's moving.) Maybe Apple doesn't want it, because, with a lot of the flash content that's available, it would make the iPhone look slow; dissing it may make Steve Jobs look slow to a few people, but that's much better for business than making your product look bad.
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Me: Aww...

Adobe: Actually, we'll be putting it on the iPhone!

Me: Yay!

Adobe: Oh wait. No. We were wrong. We weren't truthful. We lied. We lied to you and dashed all your hopes and dreams.

Me: Awww...

Adobe: Also, you're adopted.

Me: What?]]>Mar 19th 2008 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 20th 2008 2:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 10:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
This is just a wild guess though.]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
1. It's slow.
2. Steve reportedly thinks it's crud (I paraphrase).
3. Adobe are trying to push it as a ubiquitous mobile platform, which puts it in competition with Cocoa Touch.
4. As noted, it's a security risk, if exposed to the network.
5. It makes the iPhone reliant on a third party. Apple doesn't like relationships like that - the Webkit team, for instance, are heavily involved in the creation of open standards which compete with Flash (eg. WHATWG).
6. As a browser plugin, how would it work anyway? Thinking of the zooming functionality in Safari. Scaling Flash animations would kill my desktop, let alone a mobile phone.

Lots to lose, what to gain? Well... Flash ads?...]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
...is there a WINE mobile?]]>Mar 20th 2008 1:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 20th 2008 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 20th 2008 12:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/-----
I'd be worried if I were you guys - based on the phrases "sweet meat" and "pretty boys," it sounds like he has a different idea of what a "beat down" is than the rest of us do.]]>Mar 20th 2008 2:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
And, Flash Lite, the shear joy of less is less. I tend to agree with the standards compliant route, after initially wishing that Flash would be available on the phone of i.]]>Mar 19th 2008 10:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
MobileSafari is the most unstable app on the iPhone...without question.

BTW, writing a MobileSafari plugin is trivial....I wrote one MONTHS AGO without documentation to allow downloading direct from MobileSafari.]]>Mar 20th 2008 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
On my machine I have 39 such crash reports over the last four months. 34 of those crashes show the crash originated in the ...romedia.Flash Player.plugin. ]]>Mar 20th 2008 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
So, Apple wins a free Flash development, Adobe wins a new platform and we will have flash on our iPhone/iPod Touch :)

Everybody happy, right?]]>Mar 19th 2008 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
That would explain why Apple doesn't have a developers conference every year (if they did it might be called the WWDC) and why there were only four hundred and fifty exhibits at Mac World this year. /sarcasm

BTW, non-retards, there is a great interview from a few years back featuring Wil Shipley. I find it interesting to hear his predictions about Apple's conversion to Intel. Good stuff.

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000581.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWDC
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From Daring Fireball:

Adobe Smoking Same Dope as Sun ★
Ben Charny (yes, that guy) in The Wall Street Journal:

On Tuesday, when asked about the issue during a conference call with investors, [Adobe CEO Shantanu] Narayen said the company had since obtained the software developer tools Apple released last month. The tools will let Adobe build a Flash player for the iPhone, then distribute it through Apple’s iTunes online store, he said.

And without approval from Apple (including APIs beyond those in the current third-party SDK), they can distribute it in the same alternate universe as Sun’s supposedly-in-the-works Java port.

(The full Journal story is, alas, behind their pay wall. (Rupert Murdoch, where are you?) Best way I know to get a free version is to follow a link to it from Google News.)]]>Mar 19th 2008 10:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Hmmm. :) ]]>Mar 20th 2008 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
I would imagine FLASH working the same as MPEG-4 content works now with Quicktime on the iPhone/iPod Touch platform.

You're in Safari and you have a FLASH video clip to watch, it presents a playback button. You touch it with your finger and it brings up a video player, hiding the browser entirely. I can't imagine FLASH videos playing back in a webpage! I mean maybe, but it would suck!]]>Mar 19th 2008 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
Many web pages use it for interactive content.]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 19th 2008 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://sixrevisions.com/rapid-development/10_ajax_effects_website_fanciness/ sort of thing is the future of the internet, not slow to load proprietry systems like flash and silverlight, make the internet open again, im glad apple are for this.]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
While you can debate the merits of flash all day long, you can't really ignore the fact that other devices have it and the iPhone/touch don't. It's too bad too because flash is pretty snappy on my n810.]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/
A) Pay Adobe for Flash.

B) Be bound to another company's proprietary software. Yes, they went with Exchange, but that's just so they can break into Enterprise and later implement their own alternative to Exchange, which is exactly why they allow Windows on Macs now. Get the peeps through the door and then show them something better. For example: I bought an iMac for my sister, a devoted Windows user and she hasn't used Windows partition once. She says OS X does everything she needs.

C) Use someone else software when they have their own proprietary media. Translation: Apple wants people to use Quicktime or standards like MPEG4/H.264. If the iPhone gains enough strength in the market, companies will start tailoring their web sites to suit iPhone users. We've already seen this happen with YouTube, Bank of America, Facebook, etc.

D) Kill the iPhone's battery life. This is the reason that Steve Jobs gives in interviews, but it's mostly just smoke screen. He could allow customers the option of disabling, but that would thwart his broader plans, as noted above.]]>Mar 19th 2008 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-flash-for-iphone-might-be-a-little-harder-than-we-thought/Mar 20th 2008 12:01AM