http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/ Engadget Comments for Poll: Did The Onion's predicted Apple backlash actually start today? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
I can't log into my profile here on engadget - it says wrong password - I don't get it though, I'm using the same password there as I'm using to post this comment - wtf is going on, can I fix it?

P.S. Sorry to be a topic hog]]>Mar 21st 2008 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 10:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
Engadget releases an article about Apple that is absolutely glowing and shortly thereafter, drops an article about Microsoft that contains a snide remark comparing them to Apple (usually unfavorably), thereby inciting feelings of insecurity with the Windows readers. On closer inspection the comment appears to be fairly innocous, but that doesn't stop a wave of Windows "users" from reacting out of pure rage to the perceived slights that have nothing to do with Engadget and everything to do with a series of commercials where 2 adult men pretend to be computers.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_Mac)

As a result, the Windows fanboys, er, enthusiasts, uh, USERS (because there is no possible way for a Windows user to be a fanboy. Scientific studies have shown without question that only Apple users can be fanboys because, uh, well I don't actually know why, but if enough people say it, it MUST be true, right? But I digress) flood the comments section with assertions of Windows superiority, and compulsively refresh the related article while looking for comments from fellow Windows users which affirm their Windows loyalty, er, beliefs, uh, OPINION.

At the end of the day, Engadget tallies their page clicks and ad revenue and overwhelmingly the Apple articles and the articles mentioning Microsoft while softly bashing them, consistently come out on top. Only the occasional freak stories go higher. While many people complain about Engadget's perceived bias, that actually doesn't stop them from coming back to the site. In fact, it actually seems to increase readership to unprecedented levels.

As a Mac user, I find the drama very funny. I am shocked that people keep falling for it.]]>Mar 21st 2008 11:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 11:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
You know, every time I read the obligatory "if you don't like the Apple bias, then go away and stop reading it" comments present on every Apple leaning site, I ask myself "oh, is that what all those people at Starbucks spend their day doing on their Macbooks?"]]>Mar 22nd 2008 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
"You know, every time I read the obligatory "if you don't like the Apple bias, then go away and stop reading it" comments present on every Apple leaning site, I ask myself "oh, is that what all those people at Starbucks spend their day doing on their Macbooks?"


Well, let's see now, I've actually never owned a laptop in my life, even when I was a Windows user. Before I switched, I think I built 6 computers for myself using Asus motherboards and AMD processors. I built one Wintel machine for my best friend and another AMD machine for my father. So that makes 8. I've had 2 Apple machines, a G5 and a Mac Pro, but there's no Macbooks in my history and I haven't been to Starbucks in 2 years (I'm a tea drinker), so perhaps I'm not the best person to ask. You see, I'm not the typical Apple user.

But, I KNOW! Let's ask my NINE year old niece! She has an iMac, which probably means she's smug and elitist like all Apple users, so maybe she knows the answer... oh SNAP, I just realized something. She's too young to drive, so she's probably never even been to Starbucks and she's too young to drink coffee. So where can we find a stereotypical user to answer your question. Oh, I know, let's just make ASSUMPTIONS. I mean, that's the beauty of stereotypes, right?

So, I would imagine that those Macbook users are more than likely gay, smug and elitist, so they're probably looking at gay porn or Versace's fall line-up. They might be reading the electronic version of "How to be a Douchebag Elitist" monthly. And if they have a MacBook, they probably have money to burn and more than likely are driving a BMW to Starbucks, which means they have a 100,000 a year job, which means they went to college, but wait! We all know that Mac users are too stupid to know how to use REAL computers, so how can this be? I mean, these people are distracted by shiny objects, so how is that they have so much money to buy MacBooks and iPods and iPhones?

So, to answer your question, I have no idea what those smug, elitist, gay Apple owners do all day at Starbucks. I'll have to do some more research.]]>Mar 22nd 2008 3:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 22nd 2008 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Chill out.]]>Mar 23rd 2008 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
No,they need to go home and American Idol on Tuesday and Wednesday night.]]>Mar 23rd 2008 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/

(But at the cost of the enviroment)]]>Mar 21st 2008 8:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8]]>Mar 21st 2008 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
OH. MY. GOD.]]>Mar 21st 2008 10:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 10:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
I am pissing all over your face]]>Mar 21st 2008 10:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 22nd 2008 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Did you forget that great big poll that half the country votes in later this year?
I think it's called the US election and it has EVERYTHING to do with changing the world.

(*vote obama*)]]>Mar 22nd 2008 5:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
In response to your postscript, how you could vote for someone that hasn't even finished their first term as senator and has not passed/introduced meaningful legislation in their tenure, as well as not disowning their pastor and mentor of 20 years who believes that the US introduced AIDS and crack to their own people, well, you, just like Obama, are very dangerous. Especially after Obama said on Anderson Cooper that he had "never heard those statements" and then a day later makes his speech in Philadelphia that admits he DID hear those statements. Not that I like Hillary but Obama makes her look like a viable choice.

I mean I'm sorry but just watch his most recent interview with AC after the Philadelphia speech, he can't even give a straight answer to a sipmle question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cB7-6MinAM

(and to those concerned, no you won't get rickrolled, I promise. It was funny the first time but the election is serious business)]]>Mar 22nd 2008 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
I see your one nutjob preacher endorsement and raise you two.

PS - Can you tell me what McCain's actual foreign policy experience is? I've been looking, and I can't actually find any.... Unless you count promulgating war; I don't.
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Also, about the Anti-Semetism comment of these pastors, do you really think that holds with anyone against McCain when he has Joe Lieberman standing next to him all the time? I mean if we are going to compare apples with apples here, I would take McCain's credibility (or even Hillary's!) over Obama's any day of the week.

]]>Mar 22nd 2008 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
So, let's see if I have this logic right. It's okay to enthusiastically receive the political endorsement of bigots, someone with whom you have no other relationship. But if you have a relationship with someone, then you must repudiate that relationship if they say anything controversial.

In a way, accepting that endorsement - enthusiastically - makes you a big ol' whore. John McCain - whore to the Religious Right. Either you think those statements are hateful, or you don't. Either way, pretty easy to figure out where you stand.

Tell me, do you agree with the thoughts and beliefs of all of your old friends and mentors, or have you grown past the sheep phase?

]]>Mar 22nd 2008 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
Every candidate has to whore votes. Don't act like it's something they all don't do. ]]>Mar 22nd 2008 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
"So, let's see if I have this logic right. It's okay to enthusiastically receive the political endorsement of bigots, someone with whom you have no other relationship. But if you have a relationship with someone, then you must repudiate that relationship if they say anything controversial."

Difference is, McCain's getting these pastors as endorsers who he isn't best friends with...Obama has been this guys FRIEND AND MENTOR for 20 years, named a book after some passage from the pastor (Audacity of Hope), etc...and the McCain endorsers may have said some incendiary comments, but nowhere near the level of Jeremiah Wright, whose views on America are towards the ludicrious end of the spectrum, I mean, unless you agree and think that the US Gov't introduced crack cocaine and AIDS to keep African-Americans down.

And for the record, Obama said he knew about these incendiary comments for more than a year, and didn't "repudiate" any of them until the media started pressing him about it. How convenient.]]>Mar 22nd 2008 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
You forgot to mention that polls only don't matter if they show that Hillary is down. Otherwise, of course they matter!

But seriously, any idiot knows that Apple is doing poorly now because they are selling fairly DURABLE and EXPENSIVE/LUXURY goods and we're in a RECESSION. Any old fool with any economics knowledge should know that! :)]]>Mar 22nd 2008 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
Also, the only place iPhones are going to make an impact in the business world are for those middle management or below, as no self-respecting executive would be caught dead with an iPhone for fear of looking unprofessional/like a tool amonsgt his peers. Virtual Keyboard = no lawyers/anyone that corresponds a large amount via email as customers, ever. Anyway I've rambled on this too much.

Not to mention that I dont think I could download a 2 MB deposition over EDGE, lol..,]]>Mar 21st 2008 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 22nd 2008 12:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 22nd 2008 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
Apple should not have any control over their product. EVER! It just isn't right. Just because they paid a bunch of engineers millions of dollars in development fees and painstakingly revised every detail and applied for patents, doesn't give them the right to tell me what to do with their product. It's not like they have a bunch of stockholders to answer to. FUCK YOU, APPLE. ]]>Mar 21st 2008 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 22nd 2008 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
If only there was a good mobile and phone OS that let you run your own applications, had robust and mature development tools that would let anyone write their own applications, and had solid feature support for people with a wide vareity of uses.


oh..wait..

Just Apple can't do it doesn't mean you should forgive them for it.
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@Bob

But seriously, Bob, WTF? How in God's green earth did you read a slam against Microsoft in that? Please explain, because you've confused the hell out of me.

@Ordeith

I'm sure you're making a sarcastic remark at my expense, but for the life of me, I just can't understand what you're saying.

What the hell does this mean: "Just Apple can't do it doesn't mean you should forgive them for it."

Is English even your first language?]]>Mar 22nd 2008 1:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
30% is the highest commission you've every hear of? You must not be very familiar with mobile applications, or console game development. Handango was 50% for palm and Blackberry applications.

for software sold at a store, you're going to walk away with far less than 70% (manufactuing, distribution, and the retailer's profits all adds up fast.

70% straight to the developer is actually very good. No marketing expenses, no website to host, no credit card transation to deal with and getting listed on every iPhone and Touch in the world. Wow.

Console Games developers get far less. In the pass I've worked for developers who literally got only 10-15% of the retail price (AFTER paying back the development costs!)


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@ stevesreed - I guess I didn't realize that, that's pretty unfair (of course, everyone says "life's not fair"). I think it's pretty lame that programmers/developers get so much commission taken out of their products. Not only does it drive the price up, but I have no doubts that it deters game/software development. On my defense though, Apple is *making* people sell apps through the store *only,* so there is a bit of an argument with the Handango thing, developers don't *have* to list their apps on Handango and give up 50% commission to be able to sell pocket pc software, they can sell it on their site and allow people to install software on their PPCs without having to use ActiveSync (in Apple's case, iTunes).]]>Mar 22nd 2008 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
And let me just say that the problem with Microsoft isn't that they lock stuff down. The problem with Microsoft is that they broke the law during the late nineties by leveraging their monopoly power to kill companies like Netscape. Having a monopoly in itself is not against the law, while leveraging that monopoly power to kill competition IS against the law. I've said this before and I'll say it again, PC makers created Microsoft's monopoly, not consumers. Most people did not actively go out and say, "Hey, I'm going to buy Windows and put it on my computer." 80 percent of Microsoft's sales come from OEM sells to PC makers. So consumers didn't choose Windows, the PC makers chose for them.

So I don't even see why people even bother to compare Apple and Microsoft. These complaints about Apple have a "monopoly" on their devices are absolutely absurd. Every company has a monopoly on their gadgets (Sony has a monopoly on the Playstation, Nintendo has a monopoly on the Wii, etc), but then again, that word "monopoly" gets misused a lot. Companies have monopolies on markets, not devices.]]>Mar 22nd 2008 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
duh.
]]>Mar 21st 2008 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 21st 2008 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Mar 22nd 2008 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/Some people are so damn guillable. ]]>Mar 21st 2008 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/poll-did-the-onions-predicted-apple-backlash-actually-start-to/
Why should the model be different for hardware?

LOL]]>Mar 22nd 2008 12:07PM