http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 5:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
Brand loyalty is straight out silly. Do yourself a favour and get what's best at the time of purchase. Don't be a sucker.]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
If people continue to buy AMD just because they're not Intel as opposed to choosing their processors based on merit alone, then it just means that AMD will be slower in getting their arses into gear and actually competing with Intel.
If people stop buying AMD, then they'll have to sort themselves out. Well, that or die a slow and deserved death.]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
I know neither Intel or AMD use fair play, but Intel is probably the least fair. ]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
I generally buy AMD for their better Linux support. And also because AMD, as second in market, generally has better offers.

Intel has better quality. But now with upgrade cycle of two years - when you need to replace mobo - make the whole point of Intel advantage moot.

Formula didn't changed in years: Intel is more expensive, have better quality; AMD is cheaper, but still provides sufficient performance for the buck.

Loyalty is quite silly - if it is about a product. To product there are only two metrics: whether you can afford it and whether it does the job for you. Rest is rubbish.]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
From what I see performance/$$ Intel is the cheaper option and the best choice currently.

As everyone has said brand loyalty is silly with brands this huge. If you're supporting your local breadmaker then it's not so bad :)]]>Mar 27th 2008 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/They're both companies whose sole aim is to make money.


@Philips: of course, Intel will not be ideal for everyone but for most people, at this point in time, you have to wonder why they would want to buy AMD.
Ok, yeah, they're a bit cheaper but this Phenom isn't that much cheaper than the low-end Intel quads and it's only just about hanging in there. If you go down the AMD range to try and save money, the performance drops off dramatically - there is such a thing as false economy, saving a bit of money now but costing yourself more in the future (when you have to upgrade your under-powered AMD CPU earlier than you would a slightly more expensive Intel one).]]>Mar 27th 2008 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Why can't someone cast his economic vote AGAINST a cpu monopoly? Do you Intel switchers really want to pay much higher CPU prices once AMD is gone?
As with any economic segment, competition always makes things better for the consumer...quality, cost, inovation, etc. Some people might want to maintain those in the CPU market rather than wear a "My rig is faster than your rig" T-shirt.]]>Mar 27th 2008 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
It's almost like you people have forgotten the situation a few years ago when there was NO choice. Intel did what they wanted, holding back releases, since there was no commercial need to release their best efforts, and charging what the hell they liked.

Supporting the little guy is often good, it aids competition and keeps them in business so they are there when you need them. People are very quick to criticise monopolies, but they didn't get there on their own. It's that same attitude that pushes jobs abroad and funds unethical governments.

If you follow your capitalist performance/cost metric you would always shop online and never at your local store, which would go out of business. Then what happens when you need inkjet supplies for your report that's due in 1 hour?

So my point is: support who you like, there's more to life than counting pennies.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about the operations of either company. I just like the fact that there's a choice. (And for the record: I'm a Core 2 man)]]>Mar 27th 2008 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1106&model2=874&chart=444

i dont know, toms hardware lists price to performance and that top is pretty green, and to me when you consider that my 90$ amd 4800+ is only outscored by 190 in pc mark by my friends 190$ c2d, and the fact that my motherboard was 90$ and his was 140$ i think i won. i also consider the mobo in this factor and intel motherboards have no innovation, produce more heat, use tons more electricity, and cost a ton more]]>Mar 27th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
competition isn't good for the consumer? what should intel be trying to do, if not beat amd, have a picnic with 'em? ]]>Mar 27th 2008 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
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well said, AMD does own the bargain bin.]]>Mar 27th 2008 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/love that sentence: Intel needs someone banging at the door to keep Moore's Law from becoming Moore's Recommendation. hehe ]]>Mar 27th 2008 5:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 6:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
Hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper. More and more of features gets implemented in hardware (think GPU) rather than in software (think CPU).

To me and for most of what I was doing in the past years 300MHz was sufficient. For multimedia one needs more of horse power, yet CPUs can't do it without hardware support anyway. With hardware acceleration factored in, CPUs do not need that much horse power then. Well, except of running Supreme Commander of course... ;)]]>Mar 27th 2008 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
Heavy Drinking + Engadget = WTF]]>Mar 27th 2008 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 6:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 6:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/I'm a bit slow in the mornings :'(]]>Mar 27th 2008 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 6:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/amd_s_new_x4_quad_core]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/As for price, you can definitely get the Q6600 for less than that and since the Phenom is brand new, you're unlikely to be seeing it at the price listed any time soon.

Of course the big point though is that this is the top-of-the-range Phenom struggling to keep up with Intel's bottom-of-the-range offerings, one of which is even out of date now.]]>Mar 27th 2008 7:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
Clock speeds don't matter (that much). Performance is not dictated by them. That's why Intel stopped with naming their processors based on their clockspeed and why AMD came to the front all those years ago boasting faster CPUs with lower clock speeds. Sure they can help, but its not what defines its performance.]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 8:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/In fact, recently, the opposite has been true.

So, unless AMD produces something faster, they're never going to get out of the basement performance-wise.]]>Mar 27th 2008 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/They are both the same on that front, to run a phenom at full blast you need an AM2+ socket, that means a new mobo, and the same for intel, you can run the new generation on old 775 but for full speed you need the chipsets with new functions like the x38/x48, which also require new DDR3 RAM andsoforth, they both don't seem to look ahead and just keep demanding new motherboards every year while at the same time they keep raising the price of those, and already motherboards are more expensive than the damn CPU and even beefy graphics cards.
But of course that's only an issue if you go for the fastest setup I guess.
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"any enthusiast or gamer looking for a ~$240 processor is going to have a fantastic experience with the 9850."

But the Core 2 Quad Q6600 beats 9850, though it runs at 100 Mhz less and you can get it for just a little over 200$. So why should I get an AMD again?
Because I'm stubborn?

I think Intel is doinggreat right now and the positions shifted 180°.
Some time ago AMD was faster with lower clock speed ... and now I don't even see light on the horizon for AMD, which now seems to be the new Cyrix, or VIA?

And as already said in other posts: don't be stubborn and stick to a company out of some crazy principles: buy the better product.
]]>Mar 27th 2008 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
The proof is here:
Intel BluRay:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V741rSx3-5U
Intel Games:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd0Of4PnpQk

Try to dispel this!]]>Mar 27th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
pci-e 2.0 may not be needed, but its the most future proof solution. The only reason to get a quad core is because you are looking to the future. Dual cores crush quads in most applications currently. Once the software adjusts for quads, it will be a different story.

I may go with intel in the end, but I still have a few months. AMD just put themselves back in the running. ]]>Mar 27th 2008 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/Mar 27th 2008 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/amds-fastest-phenom-x4-9850-desktop-cpu-tested-intel-points-an/
And, frankly, I like Intel a lot better than I used to these days, because they release so much stuff as open source. When I needed a new laptop in the fall of 2006, that's what decided me: the only way to get a laptop with WiFi that was well-supported on Linux was to get one with an Intel 3945 or 4695 (since Intel maintains the drivers), which meant an Intel CPU.

(Intel does other stuff, too, not just drivers for their hardware; I'm using their computer vision package in a project for work.)

With Intel pulling ahead in performance, and getting ready to release CPUs based on a switched fabric like HyperTransport, I think AMD is going to have to scramble pretty hard to catch up. I hope they do, but I'm not too confident.]]>Mar 27th 2008 6:08PM