http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/ Engadget Comments for RED shows off 5K EPIC camera http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
18 months ago the closest you could have gotten was 2K for $1 Million per camera.]]>Apr 14th 2008 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
That's an absolutely amazing camera...Even if it is well out of my price range...]]>Apr 14th 2008 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
wait...that makes no sense...

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After this, it would be very difficult to justify using 35mm film in any production. Epic has better resolution (5k) for a fraction of the cost. Amazing stuff.
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A more extreme example is the going price of the Fisher-Price PixelVision cameras, which recorded digital video onto audio cassettes. That has it's own aesthetic quality as well.

Film has a beautiful quality to it that will not go obsolete. So, no - this is not the end of film. Most studios still shoot 100% of their work in film today, and will continue to do so in considerable (although declining) ratios in the future.]]>Apr 14th 2008 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/


yes, bullshit]]>Apr 14th 2008 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
Digital audio comes DAMN close though, but film has qualities a digital sensor can never reproduce. You can't even relate film and digital stills/video together, because film doesn't HAVE a resolution. Film has grains of silver which react to light in different ways as the grain gets thicker and thinner. Digital sensors have strictly defined pixels which in the recording and storing processes are prone to artifacting.

I'm not saying one is better than the other - film and digital video are different, and thus have different uses. My original post used no such word indicating any kind of superiority, so I'm not sure where you got that from.]]>Apr 14th 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
Right now film might, arguably, have an edge as far as dynamic range on commercial digital cameras. But those are solvable issues. The storage issue for one, is sovable. Second, digital is improving in its ability to capture all the details of the light hitting the sensor (color, intensity). If you look under a microscope you will see that film grains are not as tiny as you think. Second there is a physical limit (a blurring) on the resolution placed by the lens and light that both film and digital have to deal with. It's true there are certain qualities of the grain that give film its "look", but ultimately that too can be simulated by studying what exactly happens, and how the grains get color given a specific frequency of light (since the digital sensor is recording teh same attributes .. within software it can be turned inton the exact color film would have taken).
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Tom - yes, film (with its associated grain, etc) has some desirable qualities. However, you're wrong when you say that digital has yet to threaten the detail possible to obtain from film. We are there at the 35mm sensor size - DSLRs with 12 megapixels draw even and in some ways exceed their film counterparts in amount of detail (and there are 22-25 Mpxl sensors in the pipeline). Go look at Ken Rockwell's comparisons - you have to go to medium or large format negatives to beat the current digital sensors.

I think this IS the beginning of the death of film, because even those people that hang on for 'aesthetic' reasons will start creating with the new 'digital aesthetic' once they see how much cheaper, more versatile, and powerful it is. Money talks, and it talks even louder in Hollywood budgets. The industry will transition to these once people realize they save money without sacrificing quality (note I am invoking quality, not aesthetics). ]]>Apr 14th 2008 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=57406

CD-audio is the best humans can get for audio.

Digital doesn't hit film yet, though.

Our eyes are much better and less easily fooled than our ears.

Either way, it's stupid to keep a turntable around instead of ripping your vinyl. You can reach its limits, you know.

SACD is better than Redbook because of the new mastering, not the higher bandwidth and shit.]]>Apr 14th 2008 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 19th 2008 2:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
Daayyym.]]>Apr 14th 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
$12.5k is a big enough difference in price.
Makes me wonder if they were losing their ass on the RED ONE and needed to bring out something marginally better at nearly twice the price.]]>Apr 14th 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Thanks RED!]]>Apr 14th 2008 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
but i bet your bank account would...]]>Apr 14th 2008 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/]]>Apr 14th 2008 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
no, seriously, who doubted the digital revolution would spare the last niche market Kodak is still making money in...

the much bigger question is which industry is next to be wiped away? My bet is on the car industry... Electric cars, designed in California, made in china sort of thing ;)... time frame: 10-20 Years...]]>Apr 19th 2008 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 14th 2008 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 15th 2008 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/

Still no eyepiece! lol! No professional filmmaker will ever take this camera (much like the Red One) seriously.]]>Apr 15th 2008 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/i'm glad i haven't seen any of your films.]]>Apr 15th 2008 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/
http://www.red.com/shot_on_red

Yup. No one will.]]>Apr 15th 2008 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/The Red one is a good video camera at its pricepoint, not fantastic, since the firmware still isn't completely finished and Red has some issues with their workflow implementation in post.
This is NOT the death of 35mm, with the new film stocks recently released from Kodak, video has once again fallen 3 steps behind in terms of light sensitivity and flexibility in colorgrading.]]>Apr 15th 2008 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 15th 2008 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 19th 2008 2:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 21st 2008 10:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/Apr 23rd 2008 9:55PM