http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/ Engadget Comments for Formula One to introduce hybrid Kinetic Energy Recovery System in 2009 http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/]]>Apr 23rd 2008 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
Most "fly wheels" in use are actually 3 angularly displaced flywheels. that is, they use more than one in a single package (vaccum enclosure) such that the net force from "the flywheel" is zero.

At least that's how the locomotive ones are made/ordered.]]>Apr 23rd 2008 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
as an engineer into F1 and renewable energy, I have been wondering how this sport was going to fare in the new energy conscious world. I am happy to see that they are starting to move in this direction.

but reducing the engine size? i love the feel when the cars co screaming by full throttle. progress is progress...]]>Apr 23rd 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
While I somewhat agree with Formula1 being one of the most technologically advanced (if not THE) sports, I must agree with the FIA and disallowing any drive assist technology.

While there must be some technology in the development of the engines, transmission, brakes, the sport was initially and should truly remain a sport of the driver. So by making the driver more responsible for control of the car (particularly during take off with the loss of launch control), I have actually enjoyed things more. It's putting things BACK on the driver and still making it an enjoyable sport...

That's my two cents anyway...

And M.Schumacher is still the best damn driver....and Ferrari, the best damn engine out there too! (another two cents...hehe)]]>Apr 23rd 2008 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
http://www.allpar.com/model/patriot.html]]>Apr 23rd 2008 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
See, I thought the next step was vegetable oil fuel and solar panels all over the cars. I for one will cheer madly as the racers rocket by me at a blistering 12.5 mph.]]>Apr 23rd 2008 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
P.S. Bernie is runining F1]]>Apr 23rd 2008 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
But flywheels are cool too, I guess...]]>Apr 23rd 2008 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Forza Ferrari! Kimi!]]>Apr 23rd 2008 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 3:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
As a F1 fan, I want them to go further - send the challenge out, develop an alternative clean energy powerplant to race, have a regulation that enforces a maximum pollutant level. The formula needs to open up and allow for any type of clean energy - get rid of gasoline. When the sport had a less restrictive formula not long ago, you saw variations of powerplants (V8 vs V10 vs V12) that made the whole sport interesting because you were really involved in how the teams developed their technology (and salivating at the prospect of the technology flowing down into your own car in the future). Tightening the regulations just makes all the cars the same with only a few minor differences. I want to see the imagination of engineers open up to all the possibilities. Let's give the brightest engineers the chance to develop something wonderful for all of us.

One day we could see a new Cosworth-like company develop a great powerplant. It could also allow for new racing teams to enter by bringing in a new technology that has been developed by pioneers (like it was in the 60's and 70's) - the cost to join F1 is so prohibitive now that only large manufacturers have the resources to do it.

What else is on my list:
- Make the parts recyclable, to the extent that X% of the car has to be recyclable for alternative use of the material.
- Reduce carbon footprint - all teams should have a carbon limit. Think of all the flying they do around the world - I know it's not avoidable, but how about keeping a limit on it by reducing the amount of people and parts that get moved around? This could also arrest the cost of F1.

A good start F1, but let's do more.]]>Apr 23rd 2008 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Excuse me if I'll end up drawing conclusions.
]]>Apr 23rd 2008 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/>Unlike hybrid systems found in regular cars, however, the so-called Kinetic Energy Recovery System (or KERS) doesn't store up energy in a battery, but instead captures kinetic energy during vehicle deceleration using a flywheel mechanism.

F1 2009 regulation doesn't require the use of flywheel only.

KERS allows for energy to be stored in either mechanical or electrical form. F1 Racing Magazine has a recent article on it, supposedly, F1 teams like Toyota, Honda, and Ferrari are going the electrical route. The batteries weight will essentially be replacing the weight ballast on the cars. So it should weight the same, however, several teams are calling for a increase in the minimum weight requirement.]]>Apr 23rd 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
I swear, I'll be an old man before they're finally up to green standards. Lame.]]>Apr 23rd 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/Apr 23rd 2008 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
granted its carbon neutral by offsetting its footprint, but I dont know of any other sports that can make this claim]]>Apr 23rd 2008 7:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/]]>Apr 23rd 2008 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/]]>Apr 23rd 2008 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
I find flywheels extremely fascinating as a way to store energy. I guess only practical / mechanical problems make them be _not_ the preferred way of storing excess energy. I was thinking of getting a generator + using the creek going by my house to get some electricity back, but maintaining a couple of very large lead-acid batteries just doesn't strike me as a good idea.... flywheels would be much cooler. ]]>Apr 24th 2008 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/formula-one-to-introduce-hybrid-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-i/
And anyway, isn't the pro-golf tour known to be significantly LESS green than F1?

@cheater : Steel? Roll cage? You're kidding, right?

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