http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/ Engadget Comments for Psystar Open Computer unboxing and hands-on http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Most review sites get their stuff free of charge but ship it back right after they are done testing it. They don't get to 'keep' anything.

In fact, it is policy at many review sites that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, has to go back... otherwise it would look like manuf are bribing review sites.

Of course, some times the sites will get the stuff donated so they can give it to users in 'give aways', but they are almost NEVER given to employees or used as test benches for future reviews unless they are purchased from the company outright]]>Apr 30th 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
If Apple licensed companies like Dell and Asus to sell Macs, then consumers wouldn't have to deal with activation. It'd be the same as buying a PC that already had Windows preinstalled from any distributor.

Apple isn't monopolizing the Mac market in order to "ensure quality," they're doing it to make their lives easier. Writing drivers and dealing with compatibility are simple when a company only releases four or five products a year.

Apple is actively trying to stay out of the mass-dictribution market because of the baggage that comes along with it. They make enough money and don't feel like they need more. That's why Apple Fanboys need to support the OSX86 project. It does nothing but help them. In the end, Mac loyalists will get a better spec'd machine for a lower price, while still being able to run their favorite OS. Mac will have to lower prices/open their policies in order to keep up with the OSX86ers.]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/May 1st 2008 2:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
However, good things will come out of this...

We need to keep pushing Apple towards an open model, and the only way they will budge is when they take a hit in the pocket. ]]>Apr 30th 2008 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Do you really want OS X to cost $300 and be full of online activation DRM? Microsoft has to do it because they don't make their money selling the hardware to run Windows.]]>Apr 30th 2008 1:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
If Apple licensed companies like Dell and Asus to sell Macs, then consumers wouldn't have to deal with activation. It'd be the same as buying a PC that already had Windows preinstalled from any distributor.

Apple isn't monopolizing the Mac market in order to "ensure quality," they're doing it to make their lives easier. Writing drivers and dealing with compatibility are simple when a company only releases four or five products a year.

Apple is actively trying to stay out of the mass-dictribution market because of the baggage that comes along with it. They make enough money and don't feel like they need more. That's why Apple Fanboys need to support the OSX86 project. It does nothing but help them. In the end, Mac loyalists will get a better spec'd machine for a lower price, while still being able to run their favorite OS. Mac will have to lower prices/open their policies in order to keep up with the OSX86ers.]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
So what happens if you need to reinstall? do you ship it back to Psystar?]]>Apr 30th 2008 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
I learned Mac Servers inside and out. While they may be easier to use than Windows Server, the newest Leopard Server is ridiculously confusing compared to Tiger.

Leopard OS uses more memory and higher CPU speed than Tiger - it totally lags up our G5 overwatch computer. In order to make the best use of it, you gotta get the new Intel processors. ]]>Apr 30th 2008 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
And of course the fact that you think Leopard is simply a cosmetic improvement over Tiger is laughable. I mean you're either just spectacularly stupid, or you're really ignorant. Objective-C runtime including garbage collection, XCode 3, Core Animation, DTrace and Instruments, scripting bridge, Ruby on Rails, LLVM in OpenGL, ZFS implementation, new UDF drivers, latent semantic mapping, kernel level RBAC, Leopard is fully UNIX compliant, library randomization...

These are only some of the improvements in Leopard and obviously this list doesn't include the mind-bogglingly obvious additions like Time Machine, Boot Camp, Spaces, Quick Look, and all the improvements made to the rest of the applications.

Only cosmetic improvements... heh. That would be funny if it weren't so pathetically wrong.]]>Apr 30th 2008 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/"ZFS implementation": Hardly. Read only. Not too useful. And HFS+ sucks.

"XCode 3, scripting bridge"... Yay! APIs! Expected stuff! Every OS has APIs and dev tools. No big surprise. Microsoft also has stuff like this you know.

"Core Animation, LLVM in OpenGL" -> Whats this gotta do with servers? Yay, My server has pretty graphics.

"DTrace and Instruments, Ruby on Rails" -> Existing software for similar platforms that was easily ported over. Wow, what an accomplishment!

"Leopard is fully UNIX compliant" Surprising that it took 5 revisions of a UNIX BASED OS to be UNIX COMPLIANT.

In fact, it looks like you probably just copied this list off apples site.]]>Apr 30th 2008 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
your opinion about leopard desktop/server doesn't matter. the point is leopard is vast improvement over tiger, especially for intel based macs. Zac's post established that, we don't care what you think. drop some facts or move on. .... HFS+ sucks ... thats funny.]]>Apr 30th 2008 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/HFS+ sucks? Care to give any reasons? Oh, I guess you wouldn't, because there aren't any. I'll take an alias over a symlink or shortcut any day.

I will say I'm not a huge fan of the move to garbage collection, but maybe that's just because Java's implementation did not impress me.]]>Apr 30th 2008 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
The two issues here are that:

1. Apple has a boutique product that works well because they put effort into it to try and make it worth that. Psystar's computers may end up unstable and have problems with updates if they can't put the constant effort into the software end.

2. Apple would have a problem if Psystar copied other things like their Bios or tried to push off modified versions of OSx as their own. If they keep it clear that they are applying patches to the OS, that seems like it would be hard to argue against.]]>Apr 30th 2008 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apple makes the hardware and software, it doesn't however profit off the software. It uses OS X as a marketing tool and subsidies it to sell more Macs, which is where it makes it's money.
A good example of this would be that while Apple has 6-7% market share, they are making half of what Microsoft makes.]]>Apr 30th 2008 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
BSD is no more "UNIX based" than Tiger is. How many revisions of Linux did it take before it gained UNIX compliance?

As of now there are only 8 hardware/software combinations that meet the UNIX 03 standard, and of those only 3 Operating Systems are represented.
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

Some how I don't think compliance is as simple as you imply.]]>Apr 30th 2008 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Now if you can come up with an argument that actually takes the "cosmetic improvement" statement into account and you can think of a way to defend it, then feel free. Otherwise, why are you even bothering to respond?]]>Apr 30th 2008 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
seriously WTF did anything you say have to relate to Chris' post
"Weak...this guy is profiting from all the hard work the OSx86 people have done, and risking the whole community on top of it."

And why are you talking about Leopard Server? It's not even in the picture for the post. What can i expect from a guy that was looking into using Time Capsule to backup your school's important documents.

Stop trying to impress everyone on the tech blog with constantly posting your credentials and your literary vomit.

I always feel so bad correcting you. Its makes me feel like the a$$hole who yells at a mentally challenged person, but you leave me no choice.]]>Apr 30th 2008 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/"I don't see why this is 'profiting off the work of OSx'. Technically OSx and the Mac hardware are two separate entities and products. You can buy OSx separately."

Chris isn't talking about profiting off of OSX operating system, which i guess they are cuz the main reason they are moving units is because they are shipping them with OSX, hes talking about the OSx86 community. It's an open community of people that donate time and funds to research and reports findings as to which Intel based hardware and PC hardware you can use in combination to build yourself a computer that will run OSX. Chris is saying that its pathetic that Psystar is taking free knowledge from a community of people that others have put time and personal funds into and selling that knowledge for personal gains.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page]]>Apr 30th 2008 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
And you might want to proofread before you go calling anyone stupid. "do something with there life"... clever.]]>Apr 30th 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/Apr 30th 2008 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-unboxing-and-hands-on/
And for whoever low ranked me, read my post again - all of it this time, including the last two words. And consider getting your irony detector fixed, lol.]]>Apr 30th 2008 12:48PM