http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/ Engadget Comments for T-Mobile to debut 3G as voice-only. No data. We're over it. http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
http://www.nordicwirelesswatch.com/wireless/story.html?story_id=3558

Sprecken ze Bogus?

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Re: the main article, better to get 3G voice now and the rest of the the 3G packages later, rather than nothing now and all of it later.

Oh and to the people saying "now I can talk 4x faster..." that's not how it works. Speed and bandwidth have effectively the same result: more people can use it at once, less data gets lost.]]>Apr 30th 2008 8:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 9:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/May 1st 2008 6:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
But who cares. It sucks.]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
which reminds me... Sandwich time mmmhmmm =P]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/



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This basically buys nothing for existing customers and allows Tmo to add more voice lines to their network.

On the bright side, at least their engineers are working with 3g technology now. The data has got to come eventually.....]]>Apr 30th 2008 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
When you get right down to it, in UMTS there isn't a huge difference between voice and data at the base station. Unlike CDMA voice and data, you can actually use the same block of spectrum for both voice and data at the same time. So, you go out into the field, screw your base stations (NodeBs) into the ground, point your antennas, do your RF engineering, and you hook 'em up to your Radio Network Controller, and you're good to go.

Now when you get into the core network, that's when things split. Hooked up to the RNC, there are two network elements that handle the voice traffic (the MSC and GMSC), and two that handle the data (SGSN and GGSN).

One possible explanation for what's going on here is that they had limited capacity for voice, and not enough people and money to roll out voice and data at the same time, and so they picked voice because they just plain needed more capacity.

Another possibility is that their MSC vendor had an easier upgrade path for them (a simple software add-on or maybe just bolt on another cabinet) than their SGSN vendor did, and they could just get there first.

Other than that, there's other odd technical reasons: maybe they're having problems getting enough IPs for the glut of data users they want to support. Maybe they don't have enough capacity in their nationwide data network, and they need upgrades.

My guess is that, for whatever reason, their core network people on the voice side could be ready before the core network people on the data side.

At this point, data is just about getting the core network finished. If they're doing voice, they should be looking at both data and HSPA as software-only upgrades, so if I was a T-Mo customer, I wouldn't sweat it too much.]]>Apr 30th 2008 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/: ) ]]>Apr 30th 2008 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/stupid cel phone carriers]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/3G is faster for data transfer.

T-Mobile is missing something here.]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
Marketing!]]>Apr 30th 2008 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
You are totally lost on the sarcasm. He was making a sarcastic advantage trying to show the OP how stupid he was for only looking at one aspect of 3G (i.e. 1 aspect of CD-ROM drives).

Idiots.]]>Apr 30th 2008 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
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I hope you don't teach computers.]]>May 1st 2008 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
I've been a T-Mo customer (aka LUZER) since 2002.

WTF T-Mo!]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
My brand loyalty PWNs your brand loyalty... And we're both tards...*tear*]]>Apr 30th 2008 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
Of course when my contract runs out in June, I'm gone this time. That's IT t-mobile, you really blew this 3G thing, I'm going to Verizon. Oh yeah, and you know what else t-mobile, you never fixed those dead spots in my town you said you were "working" on two years ago!]]>Apr 30th 2008 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/May 1st 2008 1:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
I wish Android would come out already.]]>Apr 30th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
To my utter shock and disbelieve my "tariff isn't eligible for an HSDPA connection". No where in the T&C did it mention this and nowhere on their site did it mention it (the site has been updated since I took out my contract with them). I was completely pissed off and caught out and their CS people were very unaccommodating. They had one chance with me and they blew it - simple as that.

Another thing that is shocking with them is that their signal output is absolutely appalling despite me living in a "good" connection area. I could put my phone down somewhere and have a full signal then I could literally move it one inch in any direction and get no signal. On occasions I have put it down while having a full/good signal and left the phone and when I come back I find the signal is completely gone. I've also heard of other people experiencing similar things, it's just a seriously lacking network.

It behaves in this temperamental manner all over the place, and if it wasn't so annoying (and serious if you need to make an emergency call) it would be a comical. I really have to be careful where I put it down and where I use it. I could be walking while using it and get completely cut off because I hit a bad reception patch, even while right in the middle of town. I'm just...oh so pissed off with T-mobile and their lame service.

I can't wait for them to phone me up and try to persuade me into getting another contract out with them. By the time I've finished them their ears will be bleeding. They've really made the experience of owning a vario III very disappointing. Even their 3G service is dire.

NEVER AGAIN T-MOBILE NEVER AGAIN.]]>Apr 30th 2008 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/
Like most Europeans, you seem to be vastly misinformed about the state of US mobile services.

AT&T offers HSDPA in the US and has done so for quite some time.

EVDO is also pretty much universal.

T-Mobile, a GERMAN-OWNED company, is behind in the US for spectrum reasons.]]>Apr 30th 2008 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-to-debut-3g-as-voice-only-no-data-were-over-it/Apr 30th 2008 4:44PM