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Really impressed.

T-Mobile Rock!]]>May 2nd 2008 8:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
LOL]]>May 2nd 2008 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 3:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
3G networks lighting up on T-mo...

Android phone coming to T-mo...

Hmm...]]>May 2nd 2008 9:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
It only makes sense that the "t-mobile shadow 2" would go to T-MOBILE..doesn't it?]]>May 2nd 2008 11:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
basically, you'll most likely have to pay for use and have to think twice before you accidentally hit "refresh" on your google maps application while you are roaming into another european country for vacation, or risk getting charged about 1.5 cents/KB roaming charge for the data use. and probably 1 cent/15 KB for use in your own home country, or horridly high rates if you want unlimited data.]]>May 3rd 2008 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
PS. I am an Australian, living in UK, currently working in USA for a telco.]]>May 3rd 2008 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
You wont see real 3G data until tmobile unleashes devices on their 1700Mhz band they won in the FCC auction.]]>May 2nd 2008 9:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 5th 2008 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/Of course, I'll first have to explain to the salesperson what "3G" is, and then have him call ten of his buddies to ask what a "sim card" is, but eventually I think I'll get it working.]]>May 5th 2008 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
u guys can kiss my a$$]]>May 2nd 2008 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 2nd 2008 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
That's what I pay for my phone too. You just have to set the proxies different and then you don't have to pay the full amount.]]>May 2nd 2008 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
t-zones != internet, at least on my phone, there's a separate web browser and t-zones app, which i hid from view because i don't care for]]>May 3rd 2008 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
As you see ... we're just launching 3G. Way to get aggressive.

Yes, we're getting Android, but people want speed. High-speed data where ever we go, not at home.

TMO employees have to steer away potential customers because they want network cards... guess where they go? Verizon.

I'd ditch Sprint, Metro PCS, Kricket, etc ... for TMO any day of the week, but in the mean time, Verizon and AT&T are the way to go.

There's going to be 3 head-honchos in 5 years, IMO of course:

AT&T
Verizon
T-Mobile

AT&T is making all of the right moves right NOW. Verizon's downfall is CDMA.]]>May 2nd 2008 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
here are the main reasons why i switched from verizon to t-mobile last month, fyi:
- i travel a lot internationally and i wanted a GSM phone (verizon offered such a GSM/international-roaming addon for blackberries but it was too costly, there was a base fee in addition to the int'l roaming charges incurred)
- i was planning on getting the pearl 8100 but i wanted an unlocked one; t-mobile promised to unlock after 3 months, at&t did not
- t-mobile was cheaper
- myFaves plans with the unlimited DAY calling to people i care about
- UMA and WiFi; my workplace is a lab which does not get any cell reception at all of any carrier, but has WiFi available

that said, the biggest downside i see is that reception indoors is overall terrible, where i don't have wifi, and where i want to walk around (WiFi doesn't let you do that) that's about it.]]>May 3rd 2008 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
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Also, chances are, if you suspect you have a 3G handset for Tmobile and did not purchase it directly from TMobile, chances are, it's not a Tmobile 3G handset: again. it must have the 1700 band.]]>May 2nd 2008 11:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
If they do not get a decent Android model, the X1, a sweet new Samsung, or the iPhone 3G fails to be compatible with Tmo's 3G, then I'm through with their amature nonsense

I need a cutting edge touchscreen phone, with a slim formfactor, MMS, GPS, email push/pull, video/still camera, full media playback, 3G data speeds, etc... and I need it now.

That's it, I'm moving to S. Korea...]]>May 3rd 2008 12:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 12:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
and coming soon....... 4G: LTE]]>May 3rd 2008 1:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
falling over and spilling a few of your books out of your kinda gay man-bag satchel thing is more like it.

way to be on top of it TMO. And I work for you guys. Glad to know I can continue to tell potential customers who want high speed data "oh its just around the corner" for another year. (been saying that for 2 years now)]]>May 3rd 2008 1:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 6:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
The rest of this is a general rant that's not directed at you, so don't see it as criticism. It's not directed at Engadget either, really, because I can't think of an instance where they have gotten this wrong.

I'm tired of apparently well-informed "experts" getting this wrong.

Gizmodo screwed this one up today with the new BlackBerry 9000, and they screwed it up yesterday when they reported that someone was getting T-Mobile UMTS (in the US) with a Nokia N73 (which is impossible - the N73 is UMTS band I only, which means that it won't connect to any UMTS network anywhere in North America).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

AT&T uses bands II and V; T-Mobile uses band IV (in the US). Band I is used in Europe, but not anywhere in North America (it overlaps with satellite bands).

Currently, T-Mobile has the only operational UMTS band IV network in the world.]]>May 3rd 2008 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/It's just a shame that they are working on 4G =P .]]>May 3rd 2008 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
You were DEAD WRONG about T-Mobile 3G because you weren't doing your job. You looked at a leaked internal memo to CALL CENTER employees and determined that it was a reliable source of information.

This was the DAY BEFORE the official launch. You could have contacted T-Mobile for clarification. You could have WAITED 24 hours to see.

Now, after you were PROVEN WRONG, you try to weasel things. It's not "kind of" with data. T-Mobile has UMTS data, just like many of us predicted.

There are no data cards fore T-Mobile's 3G network; nor are there even any currently available UMTS Band IV devices with HSDPA. T-Mobile's official stance isn't at all inconsistent considering this.

T-Mobile is very late to the 3G party. You like pissing on them because they sent you a legal threat - a threat that they most likely NEEDED to send you to protect their trademark.

Funny how when Apple made a similar threat you were supportive.

You are not a bunch of gossiping kids. You are a serious blog. I expect you to get the facts right.]]>May 3rd 2008 4:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/May 3rd 2008 7:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/02/t-mobile-3g-goes-live-with-data-kind-of/
Most of the other blogs were no better - BGR and Gizmodo shamelessly copied the same story and ran with it.

If Engadget doesn't bother to do fact checking, I don't need to bother reading it. I can get rumors and supposition from HoFo or a million other sources.

Ironically, the HoFo thread got it right, because there are people there who thought for a moment and realized that the launch of a "voice-only" UMTS network was absurd.

I don't work for a blog, I don't work for a mobile provider, and it's not my job to check stories before they are posted. Engadget could have waited 24 hours for the network to go live, or they could have contacted T-Mobile and gotten an official clarification. Streamline is for the internal use of T-Mobile employees - it in no way represents an official statement from the company and it should not be reported as such.

Factual errors are frequent, but they are usually minor details. I don't like it, but it is a reality. This was not such an error. The entire *article* was wrong in this case. And instead of saying, "oops, we're sorry, we got it wrong", we get this half-assed non-redaction.

Let me be clear:

"T-Mobile's 3G network started going live today"

T-Mobile UMTS went live on the 1st in the NYC, although some testing has in fact been ongoing for months.

"it looks like that early word from a company memo may not hold true for all users."

The memo (on Streamline, an internal intranet site for T-Mobile employees) told T-Mobile call center employees to inform customers that data services were not yet available. There are no UMTS band IV (AWS) data cards currently on the market, so this is not an unreasonable request to avoid customer confusion.

"Some markets may in fact have a silent soft-launch of faster data rates,"

It is likely that ALL operational T-Mobile UMTS base stations offer data service. Current handsets cannot utilize UMTS and GPRS/EDGE simultaneously, so UMTS base stations without operational data services would likely cause data disruptions to those customers with UMTS band IV handsets.

T-Mobile has not officially launched ANY UMTS services. The entire NYC rollout is "silent".

"now the company itself getting the word out that it's launching data as well."

T-Mobile confirmed that their UMTS rollout will include data services when it is officially announced. This statement was likely in response to stories in Engadget and other publications to the contrary.

So, there we have it. Even in the revised article, we have a lot of misleading information that's basically a smokescreen for the fact that Engadget got it wrong.

When you get it wrong, admit you got it wrong.]]>May 3rd 2008 8:44AM