http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/ Engadget Comments for Palm claims larger share of smartphone market, has Centro to thank http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
I think what we are seeing is something predicted by a number of people last year: market saturation of Apple's target demographic / fans. I.e. most of the people who were going to buy an iPhone went out and bought one already. There are those who have been holding out for the 3G model all along of course. And that is only a generalization about their market - they obviously contiunue to sell iPhones everyday. But compared to the others, the Apple approach seems to work-out this way.

So it is not surprising that last summer / falls numbers are not as sustainable as companies that have a wider portfolio of phones.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
You are right the RIM news is definitely big especially in light of the fact that analysts have been predicting their demise for some time now.

Check this out, from Fortune/CNN Money just 2 weeks ago:

http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/12/the-blackberry-is-in-for-a-bruising/
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Also dont let anyone tell you the drop is due to shortages - this is for January, February and March 2008, well before the April/May shortages, and also well before the 3G iPhone was expected to be released.

In fact, its quite possible Palm sold more phones to Americans than Apple did in Q1 2008. They should be proud of that. ]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
If there is one thing since then is to not ever predict the death of RIM. I have seen predictions come and go 20 times in the last 8 years! engadget has posted articles implying that Apple was hurting RIM (they pointed to a stock price comparison showing 1 afternoon! Go check Apple versus RIM stock growth over the last year.

And I say this as a person with a hefty amount of grievances against RIM (both as a developer and a user). And I think the iPhone UI is obviously superior. But RIM adapts like nobodies business: clamshell phone is coming, touch screen devices, more enterprise qwerty and consumer candy-bar phones every few months with new features, etc. Those guys keeping ramping it up. Though not a big fan of their gear, I’m impressed by the way they run their business.
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What a crazy world we live in.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
Can someone tell Doc Brown to stop fucking with the spacetime continuum before my mom marries the neighborhood asshole.
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These are Q1 results, i.e. January to March. That's when the iPhone was pretty much in stock everywhere.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 3rd 2008 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
What really will matter is when the 3G iPhone is introduced to 70 countries with a total of a billion potential customers. With production going 110% over the next two quarters the iPhone's market share will explode and by the end of the year it might trail the BlackBerry by a small percentage. It's YOY growth that matters, not just one quarter. When the Christmas holidays come which is always Apple's best quarter, nearly everyone that can afford one will want an iPhone and not a Palm Centro.

Palm will be left in the proverbial dust. They won't be able to give Centros away at half the price. The Palm Centro is at best, an adequate smartphone geared for people who'll settle for anything cheap. I mean, look at that thing. It looks like a smartphone designed for a six-year-old to play with.

Other than for its really low price, why anyone would buy this over a BlackBerry or an iPhone in the U.S. or Europe is just flat-out unfathomable. Now maybe in some poor third-world country it would make great sense.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
The iPhone was a great, innovative device, I won't take that away from it; however, saying its going to be top-of-the-line for years to come is just wrong. Everyone has multi-touch, data access, email, etc. The iPhone will have to do more than just offer 3G in order to gain a substantial network share, because everyone has caught up and is moving past it.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
I now have my phone separate from my multimedia device (PSP). I bought an ultra cheap ass Nokia 1112. I needn't even be careful with it because its indestructible, and second its almost worthless. The PSP provides all other needs once properly setup with applications.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
It had a crappy OS minimal amount of RAM and shitty cammera on top of that it had a whooping high price.

Most people when buying a phone don't even know what OS it is running neither do they care. They buy the phone for its phisical looks mostly. The centro is the smallest full QWERTY phone available. Many regular phone users refused to move to smartphones due to the size and price centro solves both.

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Personally I like the Palm OS UI and everything other mobile OS is either good because it borrows from or extends this paradigm - or they flat out suck (Start button on your phone anybody! 7 taps to get to the screen to shut down apps! 'advanced' my ass...).

But yeah - that ol dog is just painful to see limping along like that. We loved Old Yeller too - but then the time came to do what had to be done...

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Why would someone want an ugly outdated OS? Well, because it's very easy to use, and it has nice, large icons and fonts.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 3rd 2008 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
After this new GPS/3G/ETC iPhone comes out, Apple will be grabbing more share I guarantee. If they did CDMA I would get one.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/

Palm is doooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddd.

So is Nintendo. Wii what a silly name they think they will sell even 100 of those stupid white iPod wannabe consoles?

And the Centro another stupid white iPod wanabe. I bet Palm won't even sell 50 of those crappy phones.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
They need to stay focused though.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/I do not want to be seem with this device.
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In the general phone market the real ones gettin the lion's share of sales are not WM, iPhone or Blackberry, the largest market share is owned by regular feture phones running crappy unknown propietary "os" that does not do multitasking or even run installable apps.

Another example of the OS being insignificant to consumers is the eeePC, the linux version has a very stripped down version of Xandros linux that is archaic and limited. Also it is abailable with Windows XP (a 7 years old OS!). This has not stopped it from being a market success.

People say Palm Os is old, XP is older!!!

The lesson here is that non geek consumers want a device that is small, cheap and does what they need. And the Centro is doing that for many consumers.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/The lesson here is that non geek consumers want a device that is small, cheap and does what they need. And the Centro is doing that for many consumers.
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I would rank as one of those.

Steve, you're talking too much sense. The posters want an OS war and you better let them have it! ;)

What a lot of you complaining about Palm are doing is forgetting the basics:

"Does this phone do what I want to do at x dollars?"
"Does it do it well at x dollars?"

That's the basics.
If you can offer something that competes better, by all means suggest it. But don't compare it to devices 2-6 times the price.]]>Jun 3rd 2008 6:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
http://www.3gxsoft.com/palmrevolt/

or here for freeware skins:

http://www.palmpowerups.com/readarticle.php?article_id=2

They look much better than Blackberry and WinMo IMHO.

And about multitasking, I don't see that as an issue, I can hear music on a palm handheld and at the same time run IM on the background an surf the web. Not real multitasking but works well.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
I'm probably in the minority, but as long as I can listen to music and IM virtually in the background I don't want multitasking. It slows down a mobile device too much (or kills the battery).]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
It is not just bias. I started out on WinMo and switched to palm. I got tired of the slowness and complexity.

And with the skins I posted the old Palm OS looks newer than WinMo 6!
You can make it look like Window Vista, XP, MacOSX you name it.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
I have a palm with PalmOS (actually Garnet, they changed the name), and it's anything but outdated..

There are nice skins (SkinUI > PalmRevolt): http://www.palmpowerups.com/readarticle.php?article_id=2

Nice clocks that you wish you could have in real life: http://www.palmarysoft.com/clock_skins.php?cat_name=Metal&page=1

And a nice launcher with a nice skin always makes it killer: http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92624]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
I did this on my old Sony Clie (Palm OS) and with a new skin and colors, people thought it was the latest and greatest even though it was 7 years old.

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PLEASE.. there is a whole market of folks who WANT the phones.. but.. we also need to be able to see them.. and use them. Make the keypad BIGGER. Smaller is NOT better when it comes to baby boomers.

I'm serious.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
Users are just going up the chain

regular bar or flip phone]]>Jun 2nd 2008 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
that is a reduction of almost 40% ]]>Jun 2nd 2008 6:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 6:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/Jun 2nd 2008 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/]]>Jun 2nd 2008 7:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
Just install Opera Mini 4.1, it rocks and is available for Palm OS, Winmo and Blackberry.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
its the worst browser ever made]]>Jun 2nd 2008 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/
Why you hate Palm Os so much?

You are becoming a troll, if you hate Palm So much and love Apple so much, then post on iPhone treads and dont waste your time positing under Palm OS articles.

]]>Jun 2nd 2008 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/palm-claims-larger-share-of-smartphone-market-has-centro-to-tha/cause palm havent bought anything out exciting in years,

i dont hate palm, and im not an iphone or windows fanboy
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And by the Way about inovation, Palm sells phones with the lattest Windows mobile.

And the culript about Palm Os lack of updates is Acess not Palm Inc. Access owns the Palm OS not Palm Inc.]]>Jun 2nd 2008 9:13PM