http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/ Engadget Comments for Microsoft's Device Manners Policy patent enforces "no-talking zones" and more http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Because there are people in society who can't control themselves?]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Sorry, I'm a firm believer of turning off your cell phone in a movie theater, but any technology that disables/blocks your cell phone is an attack on your freedom and possibly your safety.

If you see such a device, destroy it.]]>Jun 5th 2008 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
So M$ is protecting us from ourselves. How comforting. This isn't necessary if cinemas would just adopt the policy of the famous Alamo Drafthouses and simply toss people out of the theater for being rude.

If anyone dares to alter the functionality of my property I will either:
A. Kick someone's ass
or
B. Sue someone's ass

Either way, no one gets their hands of my phone but me. Firmware
flashes all around! :-)]]>Jun 5th 2008 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Get off the phone and place your order asshole!]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
If there's a way to turn off voice calls in movie theaters, I'd actually spend the $10+ to see a movie again.

But I'd imagine cameraphones would be disabled in all of Hollywood to prevent celebrity bits being uploaded to YouTube.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Brenan Hofstadter]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
If you're that important that you need to be in contact 24/7, then stay home. ]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
There may be heavy use in other countries depending on their airwave regulations.

Devices are readily available (although illegal in the US) that can completely block wireless signals. Some even fit in your pocket and can form a 30-foot buffer around you so you won't have anyone talking on a cell phone near you....]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
It could be awesome for cinemas and libraries though. I wonder how easy it is to confine it to individual rooms.]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Ummm probably not too many times since most buildings has something called "land lines" that allow people to make calls emergency or otherwise to the outside world. I know it's crazy. These new inventions are getting out of hand.

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Because a company makes a technology doesn't mean they are responsible for how it's used. Just like a gun can be used for good or bad, you don't blame Colt when someone gets murdered. As for dictating what a person can or cannot do, this is nothing new. You can't scream "FIRE!" in a movie theater when there is no fire - you will go to jail. You can't sit around McDonalds cussing your head off, the manager might ask you to leave, or call the cops.

Of course, this may not even work unless you have a Win Mobile cell phone anyway, so worrying about what might happen, or how your right *could* be abused is a tad premature.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Somebody is disabling the features on the phone I paid cash-money for? They're depriving me of the use of my property. Even beyond that, who are they to decide I shouldn't be able to use my products. Annoying people in movies do suck, but there are examples where it's appropriate to use a phone inside a theatre. Police officiers or Doctors being called into an emergency is just one example.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
I love the idea of forcing cells into silent mode in the movie theater, but not at the cost of losing ALL control over which features of the phone work in any given locale. The scary thing is, if the RIAA and MPAA and Clear Channels of the world want this to happen, it very well could - and with legislation to force phones bound for the US to play along, as well. Our jello-spined legislators would surely cave in on this front just as readily as they have to DMCA and the like....]]>Jun 5th 2008 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Take for example posting a link to your crap-ass blog in comments. You know you shouldn't, but you do it anyway. *shakes head* No self control...]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
The good:
Shut these idiots up in movie theaters. Disable voice AND text messaging in movie theaters, people seem to lack ANY respect for their fellow people these days and this would be a feature that might help bring people back to movie theaters who current avoid them like the plague due to this BS.

The 'bad':
Recording video at will in venues and such is something people will be all pissed off about. However, this is a recent thing anyway. You've never been allowed to bring a video camera into a concert. Now that phones can record video they are simply so many and too small to deal with. If your ability to bootleg video was cut off, you are put right back where we were only a couple short years ago. It's not as if the past 20 years have been open season with video recording at concerts and they are now trying to stop you.
]]>Jun 5th 2008 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Though, the net good of having slightly less annoying movie outings will be vastly outweighed by the social net loss of furthering most people's belief that their own actions are not their own responsability. It will lead to scenarios where people say ridiculous things like, "This isn't a restricted zone, therefore I have a right to use my phone/device here and an obligation to excercise that right." Granted, most will say this with their actions rather than verbally- because they will at that point have no vocabulary other that text slang.

This world doesn't need any more removal of presonal responsability.

I think a new system should be implemented where everyone's phones are automatically registered as they enter the theatre (perhaps with a local zone using a similar device). Those whose phones remain silent throughout the film would receive an incentive and reward- perhaps some media clip or movie theme ringtown sent to them via text or an electronic coupon for their next visit- while those who use their phones are charged a reasonable yet unpleasant fee per device-activation offense. Repeat offenders could potentially receive pro-rated ticket prices, be banned completely, or have their individual device singled out and deactivated while on the premesis.

I think this is a masterful plan, and it took me all of 30 seconds to develop. ]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Please exercise some self control and stop advertising your lame website here.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
This technology is also incredibly useful for sensitive areas where photography or filming is prohibited. I have a friend of mine who can't even bring her phone to work because she works at GM's research labs and her phone has a camera.]]>Jun 6th 2008 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
People have no manners today.

However, I would never purchase a phone which would allow someone to disable features to help DVD and CD sales.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/I worked at a gas station, then at a motel and as a janitor all throughout my college.
And now I am onna those ppl who needs to constantly be in touch, working, conversing on the cell even if i'm out taking a quick lunch break..because it's a very stressful and high energy environment that I work in.
I graduated ABOVE flipping burgers and saying "Thank you come again" at the 7-11's (I'm indian..so I can make the Apu joke), and if someone else didn't and is stuck at a minimum wage job, I do make an effort to be courteous, but NO WAY am I giving the "feelings" of a Mickey D's worker, priority above my work!]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
It sure sounds like you have a great job if you eat at high-class places like McDonald's, by the way. I'd like to have a huge expense account like yours!]]>Jun 5th 2008 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Yes it is a 'free country' however that does not mean business owners do not have rights of their own. If a business owner chooses to keep you from annoying his other patrons, that does not violate your rights as it is your choice to visit that business to begin with. People seem to allways use the 'free country' line but dont seem to understand what that even means.
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Somebody is disabling the features on the phone I paid cash-money for? They're depriving me of the use of my property. Even beyond that, who are they to decide I shouldn't be able to use my products. Annoying people in movies do suck, but there are examples where it's appropriate to use a phone inside a theatre. Police officiers or Doctors being called into an emergency is just one example.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
Rodney King (for people over 25)
&
Don't tase me bro! (for people under)

They would have had no traction with out the recordings

.

For all you people who think that the masses will not tolerate this, YOU ARE WRONG!

I didn't think that people who tolerate the DVD forcing them to watch and not watch parts of the disk -- but they just get used to having their belongings command them to do things.

People will just get used to anything, if you give them time and no alternative.]]>Jun 5th 2008 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/
At the moment, though, some of them don't even have off switches, so I don't expect it'd happen soon.]]>Jun 5th 2008 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/microsofts-device-manners-policy-patent-enforces-no-talking-zo/Jun 5th 2008 11:58PM