http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/I was alive then so i should know!!!

P.S. Blue ranger got the shaft, everyone knows he was more fit to lead than the red ranger...]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
TIM BROWN!!!

You made me lold!]]>Jun 10th 2008 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
EDIT FUNCTION PLZ]]>Jun 10th 2008 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jul 4th 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
It would have been fine to say "Intel graphics != acceptable". However "Intel graphics != marginally acceptable" translates to "Intel graphics are not marginally acceptable". If they are not marginally accaptable, what are they? "very acceptable"? The statement could mean either better or worst than "marginal".]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
Besides, you can't expect too much from integrated graphics anyways purely on size - look at the graphics chip on a motherboard, it looks just like the CMOS chips and northbridge/southbridge chips, maybe a little bigger, and no heatsink. Then look at the nVidia/AMD boards - collosal, easily ten times the size, and with humongous heat sinks. Honestly what did you think was going to happen?]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
Intel_Graphics < Marginally_Acceptable

or in layman's terms: Intel Graphics sucks donkey balls.

I don't care about power consumption or heat. They made a product that couldn't handle the most basic of tasks in Windows XP, let alone vista. Sure, it was low power and it didn't put out a lot of heat - but it didn't work either. I have this brick, it doesn't put out heat and doesn't use any power and it doesn't display graphics either. Just like Intel Graphics.

A fail is a fail. They failed.]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
We have 0 freedom. Say a guy is robbing your house and you shoot him, you go to jail, the news classifies you a right wing white supremacist Nazi apologist and you lose your job, your house and all your money.

You meet a girl in a bar, have a few drinks each and take her home and seal the deal. The next day, she feels guilty and like a slut, she says you raped her and you get arrested, get classified as a sex offender, get a permanent tracking bracelet, get fired from your job, lose all your money, get chemically castrated and you can no longer move within 100000 feet of any child in the country.

You go to Taco Bel in NYCl, eat a few Gorditas and need to fart. You fart in the general direction of anyone who is Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Black, Asian, Latino, etc... and you get arrested for a hate crime, get labeled as a right wing white supremacist nazi apologist and you lose your job, money, wife, kids.

Freedom, HAH. You can't even buy a DVD and watch the same movie on your iPod without paying another $10.00. We have no freedom.

Hell, try buying a product that has directions and accepted uses printed on the product's container. If you use it in a manner that isn't listed, even if its not illicit, you can be fined AND go to jail.

WE HAVE NO FREEDOM. We are royally F*CKED. And going to hell in a handbag.]]>Jun 10th 2008 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
Our understanding of freedom in the west is not 'total' and was never understood to be that way. It is freedom within your own private realm. You can exercise freedom but you cannot exercise it in a way that impedes the freedom of others. So no, you can't drive drunk at 100mph on the wrong side of the road. That's because you would be risking other people's rights, and that is something you do not have the freedom to do.]]>Jun 10th 2008 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/I've never been arrested for it, but went on a PA FOP sponsored bus trip through wine country in California. But, the bus didn't have a bathroom and I needed to do #2. So I went in a bush just as a CHP officer drove by. I had to listen to a 10 minute tirade from the officer on what would of happened if 20 of my buddies didn't flash their badges at him. Never been to China, but from what I heard what happens if you spit gum on the street, I can only imagine the horrors that would ensue if one were to defecate on the street.

@GenBanks:
I was being facetious. Except the whole lack of fair use with media and the Canadian government wanting Copyright police that can search your laptop, cellphone and iPod for copyright infringement.]]>Jun 10th 2008 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
I'm really not sure if you were being serious with your i-can't-take-a-dump-i-have-no-real-freedom argument, but briefly: If everyone could simply defecate on the side of the road, the high level of sanitary conditions we have come to enjoy in this country would quickly deteriorate. Disease would become rampant. Not to mention the smell. (You think it's bad when crap is confined to the sewers??)]]>Jun 10th 2008 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
Also the Air's the only one that's good for cake-cutting because of its illusionary aggressive tapering. I wonder how thick it would look if it didn't have that misleading taper, though?]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/What's with the Ponies man? Bestiality fetish? They make drugs for that.

Anyway yes. Mac for Mac OS X, PC for Winblows or Linux. Mac OS X has its distinct advantages as a daily use OS. For everything except gaming, I use Mac OS X. XP is useful for business connectivity and gaming. My gaming PC and my work PC run Win XP Pro.

Linux is great for research, coding, servers, getting into 'trouble', etc... I use Gentoo for all of my unsavory activities. I got this signal generator for linux one time, that plus $10 of parts from the Granger catalog and every car alarm for 3 blocks was going off. :-)]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/

See?

Its all what you want for an OS at this point.]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Bad ecobore,
you smashed my dreams of peace.

]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/No mac vs pc yet.
Will there finally be peace?]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Its ridiculous the amount of money Apple asks for the air while sacrificing so much hardware.
I dont understand how anyone justifies buying an air when the mpb is a fraction more expensive, only a fraction thicker, and far surpasses the airs capabilities. ]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
*gushes*

As for OSX vs Windows, both have good and bad points.

*shrugs*]]>Jun 10th 2008 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/I totally agree with you. I won't buy any non OSX computer. ]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/I have nothing against windows, I have used it all my life up to about a year ago.
OSX just seems so pure compared to xp now, i really dont know how to explain it.
I still use xp too, for gaming and such, as OSX cant do everything.
But as a daily OS I doubt I could ever get used to using xp again.]]>Jun 10th 2008 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 10:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
Highlights:
-.70 inches thick
-weighs 3.373lbs with ssd
-1.6ghz or 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo
-64gb ssd or 80gb hard drive
-Intel graphics
-multitouch trackpad
-backlit keyboard
-claimed 3:45 of battery life
-1 USB port and 1 "e-SATA / USB 2.0 combo"- not sure how that works out
-expresscard slot
-HDMI out
-no XP option (vista only)

Looks interesting.

Here's hoping that it's not even more overpriced than the Air (not that I could ever afford either of them, anyway).]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/Jun 10th 2008 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
Windows just seems to not have the attention to detail that OS X does. OS X IS clean. Just compare the OS directory structures of Windows and OS X. Why are background images in the Windows folder along with system files? The hosts file is in \Windows\system32\drivers\etc. That makes no sense! When you install 3rd party software in Windows things become even more disorganized. Not so in OS X since programs are stored in bundles. I think programmers like Microsoft because they aren't made to follow any standards.]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
- Mac's large track pad - I just couldn't bare to use the puny trackpad on my Dell laptop after experiencing the large and perfect sensitivity of Apple's trackpad! So, I'm very pleased to see another manufacturer put a good sized trackpad on their laptop.
- Mac's balance - the battery's weight is near the front which makes it more stable and wobble less!!! I can even use it on my legs at an angle without it threatening to tip backwards like the Dell.
- Mac's smooth underside - it slides effortlessly into my backpack while the Dell's protuding rubber feet would often get caught on something.
- Mac's air vents are at the hinge - it doesn't complain when I put it on a blanket while the Dell's fan would rev up to full blast whenever it came in contact with anything other than a hard flat table surface.
- Mac's quietness - it's fan rarely runs fast enough to hear while the Dell's fan was always changing speed and making a fuss.

The thing I don't understand is, how hard is it for other manufacturers to make a laptop with a smooth case with the battery and air vents in the right place?]]>Jun 10th 2008 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/envy-133-and-macbook-air-duke-it-out-in-the-flesh/
I personally can't stand OSX. I find everything to be needlessly turned into something confusing, that's supposed to be "helpful."
Like instead of easily having the "file" or preferences menu attached to a program, moving it away from the program, so it sits up on the top left, taking up where there should be apple's version of a start bar? Why make something more complicated than it should be? Why make everything visual, when it ends up becoming less efficient or convoluted? Why not just have a regular desktop to place things on, instead of the oversized interactive menu at the bottom of the screen which takes up extra space? Why not just have very easy to use max/minimize buttons on every program?
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To each his own---but it's not as simple as "once you go Apple, you never go back." I really enjoy the ability to customize everything, and I often find it harder on Macs. Personal experience, though.

My point isn't that OSX is incapable of these things; everything I listed, Apple has its own version of. But they seem to take something simple, give it a few extra colors and a smooth animation, add a few limitations and inability to customize, and then they brand it as "simplicity."
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