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Well everyone mentions the "contract" thing because these contracts are for TWO years. If they were one year contracts that can be a little understandable, but I don't want to be forced to stay with a carrier for two years.

And you don't have to switch every month, but what about if you want to switch in one year because you moved or if you have an argument with their customer service?]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
If your argue with CS.. your on your own and pretty much screwed, if you move to an area without coverage by ATT, you are let out of your contract with no ETF]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
the first thing i thought of when i read it is that either
1) apple wants to be the only provider of gps routing software for the iphone (for $$ of course)
2) someone (tomtom?) got in bed with apple and wants to be the only provider of gps routing software and gave a kickback
3) some carrier like at&t wants to push their overpriced telenav crap]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
I am guessing option number 3 would be ATT's request.

Most likely its Apple lawyers covering their ass, although there are worse things then live guidance... say texting on a phone with no keyboard while driving....]]>Jun 11th 2008 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
Marriage is for LIFE. It's called commitment. How do you get out of that, without it costing you half of everything. What about leasing a car. It's no different, you agreed to what is provided to you. If you have an issue with something out of the terms of their service, THEY OWE YOU. You just need to be good enough to get it. If you have an argument with someone that gets paid crap working a multibillion dollar company and you don't get something in your favor. You need to get better people skills.]]>Jun 11th 2008 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
Well o2 in the UK are releasing pay and go sim cards to there iPhone users so maybe something similar will hop up in the states soon?]]>Jun 11th 2008 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
You forget the rule. It's only okay to whine about cell phone contracts if it's related to Apple. It's only okay to somehow multiple the rate plan by 24 months and add that to the cost of the device in order to say "ZOMG ITS TEH EXPENSIVE" if it's Apple.

Oh, and it's only okay to complain about absurd legalese if it's Apple.]]>Jun 11th 2008 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
On any GPS you buy, the first screen you hit on startup is the legal "it's not our problem if you're a moron", to which you have to agree to go further, followed by lockouts to menus and settings while the vehicle is moving. It doesn't take much to imagine someone jacking around with an iPhone and driving into a wall.

Second, real time time GPS also opens the door to stalking - if you can track you, it's not a big hop to track someone in your address book.]]>Jun 11th 2008 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
Do you understand that they raised the cost of the mandatory plan that you must have with your iPhone? And that it comes out to 240 bucks over the life of the contract, which you can't get out of? Ergo, the cost of the 3g iPhone is the same as the old iPhone, except they're pretending to save u teh moniez?

If any other company said "hay, we are gonna give you 120 bucks off this, but we'll charge you 10 a month for a year, kkthx," people would still be up in arms.]]>Jun 11th 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 7:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
Or do you also hate the Google Maps API? In any case, the terms were obviously dictated by the need to confirm to Google's Maps API terms.

It makes a lot of sense too as they don't want the military to go and build iPhones into a Tomahawk missile or Predator plane. If I released a maps/GPS product I wouldn't want it to be used to kill people either.]]>Jun 11th 2008 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
On the other hand, if you wait a few months, I bet the iPhone ends up being available on pre-paid terms.]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 12th 2008 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 12th 2008 12:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
Let the bashing begin!]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/It matters because this means no one can release legit navigation software unless Apple says they can. That's total crap, IMO.]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
I wonder which poor sap has the job of reading through all this stuff.]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/People don't design their own nuclear devices these days; everybody just buys them over iTMS, and then think iTunes is used to make them just because they get them from there.

That's why I moved back to OS 9, it's so much easier without all those fancy graphics and the tools are so much more stable.]]>Jun 11th 2008 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS? Bah]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack/turn-your-windows-mobile-phone-into-an-iphone-269055.php


Wow l2 google....... Damn you are a n00b.]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
They all suck and are not very responsive. Besides, I don't want an iPhone GUI on my real phone. That's like taking a powerful engine and putting it in a VW Van; you won't be able to take advantage of the powerful engine.]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
You might be confused by the number of apps offered by default - but that is Apple's choice (and a smart one for consumers). If you unlock an iPhone you can download hundreds of apps today - and most of those were made before Apple released the SDK.]]>Jun 11th 2008 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
Are there restrictions on using the GSM and HSDPA radios for "real time voice calls" as well?]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
It won't be like WinMo devices where you can use whatever navigation software you want (i.e. Google, LiveSearch)]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
The GPS capability of this device is just too attractive of a revenue stream for apple to write it off completely.]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/I'll still be giving o2 my £159 on July 11 though!]]>Jun 11th 2008 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/
maybe im just silly]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/If people would use their own judgements first and the navigation software's second, we wouldn't have as many issues.

A sign that says bridge out? But my navigation software says otherwise! It must be right!
Oh wait....]]>Jun 11th 2008 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/and why would you need to buy tom tom's software for iphone then]]>Jun 11th 2008 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing/Jun 11th 2008 11:24AM