http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
As for data....its really not that bad, considering every other smartphone on AT&T is a $30 data plan]]>Jun 12th 2008 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
(Which, incidentally, still blows the 3G iPhone out of the water)]]>Jun 12th 2008 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
And no Scott, just because they didn't subsidize the original iPhone doesn't mean you didn't sign a contract that says you will continue service for 2 years. However, that doesn't mean that you're not eligible for an upgrade in which AT&T will allow you to buy the iPhone for the $199/$299 price and restart your contract. Your eligibility depends on how long you've had your phone, if you pay your bill on time, and how much money you spend, you will just have to check it out.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
I'm really considering getting an iPhone 3G, but to increase my data plan $10/mo AND have to pay more for texts is a hard pill to swallow.... stupid recession! I may just tell people to email me, and forget SMS.

Thanks Engadget for this all encompassing FAQ. ]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.tuaw.com/2008/06/10/iphone-upgrade-breakdown/

"To quote from the AT&T memo:
When the 3G device launches, all active postpaid customers in good standing with a 2G iPhone will be eligible to receive the qualified upgrade pricing for a 3G device regardless of service tenure. (Customers that would not otherwise be eligible due to tenure will be made eligible at launch)."

I think I'll stick with my unlimited data and 200 SMS for $20/month and a year down on my contract. I've been fine with Wi-Fi and the faux-GPS is enough to help me when I need some direction.

I'm waiting for the iPhone v3.0 (Too soon?)
=P]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
The existing iPhone's lowest data plan is $20 including 200 SMS and unlimited data -- Any word on whether they'll continue to offer this data plan on non-3G iPhones post 7/11?]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
This is the "sell" phase of the campaign. This is when, after the "Hype" build-up phase, they saturate you with continuous fluff and repeat information that has already been posted several times. This is a continuous advertisement in the form of blog posts. A blog-vertisement.

It's basically just to keep it in the news with the hope that you will think Apple and nothing else. They did this with all Apple products, like the AppleTV, MBA, Iphone SDK. And no they dont do this with any other companies products.

It's not just Engadget it's Gizmodo, Airs, and various other tech news sites as well.

Of course they like to pretend that they are soooooo sick of these posts themselves, which is such a lie it's laughable.]]>Jun 12th 2008 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
But for the thousands, even millions of people who clearly do care a lot about this device, our aim is to provide the information they're after. There is absolutely no question that from a user interest standpoint, more people come to tech sites like Engadget looking for information about the iPhone than for any other device. And at a certain point in any business, be it material or media, supply must attempt to meet demand.]]>Jun 12th 2008 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
No, we would liker to see you over the top commitment for all things Apple applied to everyone's products

"And for you there will be a fresh post coming along in a few minutes. If you hate iPhone coverage so much, there are a lot of other really amazing sites to read."

So you're basically admitting that yes, we are in the tank for Apple, we will post something about them every few moments, we dont give the same treatment to other products, and we dont want your readership if you dont like it. Many people came here because they thought this site was amazing itself, but if you see it as just a platform for Apple PR then that's a real shame.

"But for the thousands, even millions of people who clearly do care a lot about this device, our aim is to provide the information they're after. There is absolutely no question that from a user interest standpoint, more people come to tech sites like Engadget looking for information about the iPhone than for any other device. And at a certain point in any business, be it material or media, supply must attempt to meet demand."

Really? Millions of people come to Engadget just to read about the iPhone? So how many readers do you have when you dont have another fluff piece on this product to post?

Why not just cut out the unimportant stuff from all these other companies and just run iPhone news then? Apparently Millions must keep coming here for something else.]]>Jun 12th 2008 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Btw, Ryan you should have answered the question what some of the alternatives already out there or coming out (Diamond, Xperia etc).
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I know you have page count data to confirm this but just FYI, there are a lot of people who enjoy iPhone news.

People with nothing to complain about are more silent.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Good on ya concerning the coverage.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Your last 14 Blogs, 11 of them were all either Apple or the iPhone products. I don't hate Apple or the iPhones. But stuff like these makes me want to hate them.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
how does stating "And for you there will be a fresh post coming along in a few minutes" amount to an admission that they're "in the tank for Apple"? Like he said, it's business, fool.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
But at the same time so many users complain about this that it would seem that you have gone above and beyond meeting demand....

I mean there is already a banner on the top of the site, why did you need to reiterate everything with redundant articles?


As far as this particular article goes, I actually find it acceptable, since you have aggregated everything so it is concise and informative. The thing is that after about fifty less-informative, scattered posts, it is hard not to get the impression that you guys are are just giddily typing away out of joy at any new Apple product.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
no one forces these overly opinionated people to read every post and comment; they just have too much time on their hands. but it's clearly not enough time to realize they don't know what they're talking about.

take off your tinfoil hat. there's no conspiracy. you are just ignorant.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/I think the reason to complain is the fact that, maybe, just maybe there is a weblog or two dedicated to Apple. Not being a fanboy it may take me a sec to think of one, but for some reason http://www.tuaw.com/ rings a bell. Ever heard of it?

Now if I really cared about an iPhone, I'm sure I would expect to see a post exactly like this over on that site. Strangely you see a bunch of info about sdk and the app store, but it seems to lack the distinct feeling of a sales pitch that the posts on Engadget have. Probably something to do with the lower web traffic and/or the fact that if your reading http://www.tuaw.com/ your probably already part of the Apple flock.

One suggestion I thought of, and this may be quite a stretch, is given this duality of sites and info, what about a new site? Call it "The Unofficial Non-Apple Weblog". Unfortunately www.tunw.com is already taken, but I'm sure you guys could think up something else. That way the non apple sheep would only have to scroll through about half as many articles, since without Apple there would be half as many posts if not less.

This rant brought to you by those that still don't give a flying fuck about the iPhone.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Really, phanboy, try to grow up a little.

"Fine, we get it, some people don't care about the iPhone. And for you there will be a fresh post coming along in a few minutes."

Fresh post about what? From the tone of his post, I took it as: "We know you dont like all the iPhone news, and for you another one will be coming up any minute anyway"

If Ryan wants to be more clear on what that means, then I'm all ears.


And yes this is a business, and we are his customers. His customers want a bit more balance and a cooling down all the iPhone saturation and Block says "The hell with you!". Sounds like good business practice.

Apparently he thinks this site can run on Apple news alone and the fanatics that demand more of it. His loss if he follows through on that.
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naw, but you're right, Ryan admitted it! BURRRN HIM!

...golly, it feels so good to be all grown up and hatin' like you!]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Uh, no. A couple of whiny customers bitch about something they could easily skip over. Ryan Block says we have non-iPhone news too.

Not everyone wants a cooling down of the iPhone saturation. Obviously Block knows a bit more about his audience than fred does :p]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Engadget = product

Readers = Customers


"how much do advertisers pay? oh yeah..."

They advertise on this site in hopes that people click on their ads. Have those people leave, and they pull the ads, and site looses money.

"naw, but you're right, Ryan admitted it! BURRRN HIM!"

Burn? No, try being smarter and improve the site so that people on both sides can enjoy the place, not to tell them to bug off.

"...golly, it feels so good to be all grown up and hatin' like you!"

Hatin'?]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
awww, sounds like someone got their panties in a twist. why is it that you're still here if you dislike posts about the iPhone/Apple so much?]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/How is loading maps from the internet (slow+I have to pay for it each time I use GPS, can't use navigation) better than free (sometimes) pre-loaded maps of Europe, USA and my country/city with navigation?
How is totally inaccurate A-GPS better than more accurate GPS? GPS doesn't work in buildings, okay, but do you want a turn-by-turn navigation to your boss's office in a building? Or to the water closet? If iPhone doesn't have Sirf Star 3 chip (or a decent alternative), it doesn't have GPS support. A-GPS is not GPS. They are different technologies - one looks for satellites, another looks at base stations of the carrier.
A-GPS may start faster, but why would you want a global positioning system (read as navigation system) without a turn-by-turn navigation? Neither shows the number of the building...]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
fred, i really gotta hand it to you, you're one of the most sanctimonious trolls i've seen on these boards in some time.

not that it matters, but i'm personally not buying the new iPhone; i'm quite disappointed by it. that said, i'm still 1000x more interested in it than the latest freakin Epson projector or random laptop only coming out in Uzbekistan. even if i'm not thrilled with it or Apple and AT&T for a variety of reasons, it's still obviously newsworthy and a cultural phenomenon.

but what really compels me to respond me, fred, are your huge fallacies of logic. i mean seriously, you're just taking random unrelated statements from Ryan and just flatly asserting "SEE?!?! ITS TEH BIAS!!1"

we get it fred, you hate apple. good for you, you've got lots of company. but don't make shit up, k? thanks for playing.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Theres something GOD gave each and everyone whos posting in this thread...FREE WILL.

Exercise that shit. You'd be surprised to find out that you're FREE to go to WHATEVER website you want to visit for your gadget news...

Now shut the f*ck up about Engadget and the iPhone. Its the HOTTEST and most POPULAR device on the planet right now whether you like it or not. And guess what? Whether you like it or it kills you A LOT MORE people LOVE the iPhone than hate it.

Therefore there is a HUGE demand for news on it. Therefore Engadget being in the business of making I dunno MONEY should talk about it in order to get hits.

In short you're a HATER.

I'm not an Apple fanboy and I don't think I'll be getting the 3G iPhone. Its not too much of an improvement over the first one and there are other serious contenders to it. However I don't fault Engadget for doing what they do. Its THEIR website. NOT YOURS.

So move on little crybaby.]]>Jun 12th 2008 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
I don't know if anyone remembers the Aesop's fable about a farmer and son taking his donkey to the market. Anyway. the point of that story was that if you try to make every critic happy, you'll end up satisfying nobody.

Make the case that other gadgets news is being ignored or not appropriately covered in some fashion, then I'll prop my ears up.
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"why is it that you're still here if you dislike posts about the iPhone/Apple so much?"

These are the guns they pull out when they basically run out anything else to say.

But anyway, I've never recalled saying I hated Apple postings, have you? The lopsided ratio of them to everything else, yes.

And no, I'm not a "sanctimonious trolls". I'm just something that most Apple zealots hate beyond anything else, a person that dissents from their tired Apple Uber Alles line of "logic" that cant understand how someone can think that differently. Dissent is unpatriotic!

I dont expect a "phanboy" to get that.]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Get over it people. It's an awesome gadget. You don't like Apple, or their products? DON'T BUY THEM. Don't read the posts. Don't comment on the posts. Get on with your rewarding life using HTC, Samsung, Sony, Blackberry or whatever it is you like and use. End of story.

Lucky for you, and me, and everyone else, we are free to choose. If you don't agree with capitalism --Hugo Chavez might have a spot for you.

Cheers,
A]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
I have too much time on my hands.]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
"Why doesn't it do video / MMS / A2DP / scrub my callouses / pick up my dry cleaning?

Clearly Apple has the technological prowess to make (most of) that stuff happen, but for whatever reason they've chosen not to support it. Maybe it's because of battery life issues, maybe it's because Steve just didn't see the need. Either way, it's a philosophical decision for them, so they may never change it. Bummer, right?"

Are you serious Block? Acting like MMS is such a big deal? IT'S A BASIC FUNCTION OF ALMOST EVERY CELLPHONE NOW.

So did Steve Jobs shoot it in your mouth or in your eye this time?]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/Jun 12th 2008 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
And you've proven the ability to converse like a teenager. Congrads to You.

"what part of "I don't like the new iPhone" don't you understand?"

I dont care if you do or dont, that isnt what this was even about.

" jesus christ man, you're dressing yourself up as a patriot now? i don't care what your opinion is or how it differs from mine, but i WILL call you out on your bullshit, freddy got fingered"

You've only stated that being critical of any aspect of this site is verboten. I dont believe that. And "fingered"? Do you have any other vulgar phrases you to use in place of a sentence?]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
Actually, you implied that I was on some fascist Apple fanboy squad on several occasions, so I've just caught you in another lie.

"You've only stated that being critical of any aspect of this site is verboten."

Really? How did you make it through high school? My ONLY point is that your FACTS are wrong. And I will call you out on your BULLSHIT. Comprendes, bandejo?

Are you done playing the victim yet? Look up "sanctimonious" and get back to me. Seriously, why do all the Apple haters sound like Stalinists?]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
"Engadget = product

Readers = Customers

They advertise on this site in hopes that people click on their ads. Have those people leave, and they pull the ads, and site looses money."

so with 300+ comments and what i'm sure are quite a few more pageviews, what part of continuing to post about the iPhone do you feel is hurting the advertisers?

do you think that people such as yourself outweigh the number of people who are indifferent/figured out how to scroll past the iPhone news and the people who are generally interested in the device? do you think ryan has a reason to be deceitful?

aside from just disliking the news yourself, i'm just trying to follow your logic here.]]>Jun 14th 2008 9:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/iphone-3g-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-but-were-afraid-t/
No, just tired of the bullshit that even when apple releases a shitty product Engadget turns it into a positive, which is what this is.

Example:
"How'd they get the price so low? The iPhone used to be crazy expensive.

Actually, depending on how you do the math it's not actually cheaper. Now, in some countries the iPhone is free when you sign up for service, and in the US you'll pay $200 for the 8GB model -- half what it was a month ago -- so you're definitely paying less up front. But the data plans cost more now, so you might wind up spending more money over the long run."


Might wind up? are you kidding? ATT is locking you in to a more expensive plan and any way you calculate buying this phone (the legal way) it ends up costing more money. This is what I'm sick of, trying to look for the best of the worst in everything Apple and then shitting on other companies' products, Never will you see a truly unfavorable article against an Apple product or business decision on here, ever.]]>Jun 12th 2008 4:42PM