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You only have to go as far as the 90's and the doco 'who killed the electric car' to know that the US has no interest in the environment or petrol prices.

1 trillion on Iraq and shit all on ANYTHING else. I would absolutely HATE! to live in a country so corrupt and unjust.]]>Jun 14th 2008 2:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
Keeping my fingers crossed...]]>Jun 13th 2008 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
people who have moded their cards and have replaced the engine with batteries get like 200 miles on a charge. and the battery they are working on is the size of a computer, well looks more like 3 conventional car batteries put side by side. ]]>Jun 13th 2008 11:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
I hope this isn't one of their 'well, we tried to roll out electric vehicles, and they just weren't adopted so it's back to petroleum we go' schemes like the EV-1 was. ...This time, they don't even get to use their own money to make a mockery of the electric vehicle market.

How long is it going to take before people start taking diesel electric seriously? WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!! ROLL IT OUT!!!!!!!!!

Stop messing with all these garbage baby steps!]]>Jun 13th 2008 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
I, too, don't see why people aren't demanding diesel-electric hybrids, or even just diesel vehicles!]]>Jun 13th 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
"OMG this wont solve anything.. if the energy for the electricity still comes from carbon based fuels... this will not solve anything"


quite frankly i am tired of hearing this bullcrap. People that say stuff like this are narrowminded to the point of disbelief.

Electric cars are a solid way to help drastically cut down carbon emmissions. Yes i know that some power plants are based largely around coal.

Think of it this way. You have 20k cars driving around your city. All of them are their own power supply. To change the fuel they use you have to change 20k engines.

Now if all of them are electric, now to change the way they get the electricity they use, you just have to change 1 thing. the power plant. Even if the power plants are using coal, they still are extremely efficient when compared with a car's engine.

Several areas are switching to Wind power around me. combine that with an electric car and you have a zero emission way to go to work. Nuclear power is a very very good alternative. Not only has modern advances made its environmental impact next to none, it is much more powerful than hydroelectricity, wind power or solar power.


It is MUCH easier to maintain 1 source of power, than several thousand. You can easily modify that source to be efficient, and not harm the environment as much than if you have several thousand carbon emitting vehicles running around.]]>Jun 13th 2008 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
Odd]]>Jun 13th 2008 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
but sorry, i need to go more than 40 miles in a given trip.]]>Jun 13th 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://ohmexcited.googlepages.com/CO2.htm

I the worst case (getting energy from a dirty coal plant) , you get CO2 emissions that rival the prius.]]>Jun 13th 2008 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/-----------
How?

Nuclear is nowhere near close to no environmental impact (not saying anything else is much better). In fact, waste is a big problem, so is radioactivity and so is transmission loss through long distances just to get the power to you by any means (wind, coal, water, solar, nuclear).

Couldn't your argument about "one source" of power also apply to gas / petrol? Improving efficiencies here?

I don't think any of this is the answer. Change of habits are the answer.

The developed world is dying from lack-of-activity-related ilnesses. The infrastructure for bikes and whatnot often leaves lots to be desired, and the pollution and noise levels continue to skyrocket, making said activities even more undesirable. All this plug-in hybrid talk (and action) is a direct result of a small price hike in fuel (I say small because it's not even close to enough to get people re-thinking their wasteful transport choices, and lives in general).

The focus instead is just on saving some $. While these puny market forces exist, puny steps will be taken (such as the above) and the results will be... you guessed it: puny.

(Much like declaring computing products 'green').]]>Jun 13th 2008 2:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/

Waste of everyones time. ]]>Jun 13th 2008 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmOW0z__AMI
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Are you kidding... $30 million is a rounding error for the Government!!!!

Replace pour with drip....]]>Jun 13th 2008 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.bts.gov/publications/transportation_statistics_annual_report/2003/html/chapter_02/figure_027.html

40 Miles would help alot, covers most peoples commutes, but 30M is laughable, thats like the average signing bonus in the NBA...

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Plus, I don't think plug in hybrids are really that great an answer. I'm waiting to see if the current electric grids can handle everyone charging their cars every night. Plus wont the increase in demand for power from the grid increase the PRICE of electricity? Great, now people wont be able to afford to drive OR power their homes lol.

This seems like another ethanol mistake to me. When are we going to see viable hydrogen cars?

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Energy prices probably would rise, but they could always build more power plants (preferably clean) to keep up with demand. This isn't going to happen over night anyways.

If prices did go up significantly then the gov't or utility companies or whoever could offer rebates for those that don't drive cars, so they aren't burdened as much. Just a thought]]>Jun 13th 2008 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/Jun 13th 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
I do realize that extra power would have to be created to meet demand if everyone were driving electric cars, just pointing out that power plants do not change output easily.

In regards to the hydrogen car, that would be great however what is going to be the source of hydrogen. One of the best ways to get it is to use hydrolysis of water which requires electricity...back to the same dilemma as before.]]>Jun 13th 2008 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/us-department-of-energy-pours-30-million-into-plug-in-hybrids/
Lol… I dunno… im just rambling on …..
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