http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
You mean FW3200]]>Jun 14th 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Why do you think it can beat USB 3.0?]]>Jun 14th 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 3:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Get it?

:-D]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Toakley:
hi-def webcams? You think the camera is going to produce more than 400mb/sec of data? If it does, who is going to be able to view it? No one has an internet connection that is that fast.]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Though what will probably happen is that it will be the new HDCP for enforcement of copyrighted materials.]]>Jun 14th 2008 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
I understand the points you have been making, and I agree. However that attitude doesn't inspire creation and technological advancement.

Internet speeds are increasing, TV picture quality is increasing, standard device storage is increasing, and so on.

The idea is that USB 3.0 is created because we can. Then, when the products that support it arrive, the infrastructure is already in place.

]]>Jun 15th 2008 6:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Or would you rather have one interface to connect both new and old devices? Yea, I thought so. If eSata was compatible with USB 2.0/1.1/1.0, then yes, it'd be a viable alternative. But it isn't. So it's not.]]>Jun 15th 2008 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Guess what, it's USB 3.0. So long as these idiots (intel/nvid) don't mess it up, say bye-bye to eSATA or FW.]]>Jun 15th 2008 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 11:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 2:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Your graphics card takes about 100W of power. So you're going to have an external box with a power supply larger than your laptop's?]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Some people don't want to have 2 computers.]]>Jun 14th 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
If this would be to happen, the industry would follow, making the standard in-case PSUs have solutions for the external cards, not really hard to make even now, just pull the cables out.]]>Jun 14th 2008 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
With USB 3.0, FireWire becomes useless. It'll lose its bread and butter (FW won't be the fastest connector)]]>Jun 15th 2008 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
FW already broke their compatibility going FW800 over FW400... My MBP has 2 of these slots, which is annoying as hell, when one could easily have been used for a USB2 slot. I'm not so sure how they will make 2 non-backwards compatible ports into 1 'universal' port.. ]]>Jun 15th 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/

great]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
Format blood will be shed, someone will come out on top, the public won't really care, and instead create a demand for high-quality USB controllers to get fast and sustained 2.0 speeds.

It's nothing like the preceding format warz though, where people are buying upscaling DVD players in spite of Blu-Ray's victory. Nothing like it all!]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/

Oh wait]]>Jun 14th 2008 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 14th 2008 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
SiS doesn't count as its against the rules of a soap opera....at least for now

Sorry if its a repost ]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/it's ridiculous.

Make one thing that's good enough for general use so people can stick to it.
I hope USB 3 is it. It needs to scale speeds without needing new specs drawn up. Give it a theoretical throughput of petabits at the highest tier or something.

Remember AGP? Thank goodness we've moved onto PCIe now.]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/Jun 15th 2008 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
What's the rush for USB 3 anyway?





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You forgot "blocked on AIM" and "removed from top friends on MySpace."]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
In usb1 times (1995), there was UHCI (from Intel, which wanted royalties, only VIA licensed it and they broke it, so two versions of UHCI) and then there was OHCI (from NEC, and copied by everyone else in Taiwan, SiS, Opti, ALI, etc, and a few of these had variations that made driver writing tricky as well). If you have ever seen a USB device which works on one chipset, but not another, this was why. Anyone making a device had to test against all this crap, which broke the promise from the USB-IF: one bus, one physical interface, and no need to test against multiple implementations. The same promise came from Microsoft with the Windows Driver Model (WDM), one driver for Win9x, and what would become Win2000, and every OS going forward - but they had to make two USB HCI drivers just like everybody else, which meant everybody else had to test their drivers against these hardware differences too.

Then with USB2 this got straightened out. One Host Controller Interface: EHCI. Everybody did EHCI, but Intel did most of the work, and got no royalties. Only one implementation that most everybody got right, yay if you were a hardware or driver developer!

Now we have USB3. The USB-IF publishes the bus specification and is totally open. So, I imagine what everyone is in a tizzy about is the HCI, and Intel again wants a single HCI implementation. It is unsaid in all these one paragraph entries that it is the HCI that everyone is complaining about. If that is the case, then I'm rooting for Intel. Writing, testing, and tracking errata from multiple implementations of the same specification is for chumps. If Nvidia, et al, make their own HCI spec then they can DIAF - I won't develop my devices on it, and as a consumer, I won't buy hardware based on their chips.]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
It's not like anybody is shut out, Intel has documentation and prototype hardware on what they are doing.]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/nvidia-and-friends-working-on-alternate-usb-3-0-spec-sis-joins/
There might be differences due to different implementations, but that's true even with a unified controller spec. If you think that's not true, you've never tested your devices on an ALI USB 2.0 add-on card, which uses ECHI, but has a lot of bugs anyway.]]>Jun 14th 2008 3:52PM