http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/ Engadget Comments for Psystar puffs out its chest, introduces off-license OS X servers http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/might go get one of these bad boy]]>Jun 20th 2008 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
An OpenServ with a 2.66GHz CPU and OS X Server comes up to $2724.99. I guess the value is in that it comes with 4GB RAM and a 750GB drive... where as a genuine Xserve has a 2.8GHz CPU but 2GB RAM and an 80GB (!) drive for $2999.]]>Jun 20th 2008 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/you heard it here first.]]>Jun 21st 2008 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
Yes, the Psystar system is 5% slower (2.66 vs. 2.8), but it costs about HALF of what the XServe costs.

And I know, the support blows, but heck -- you could just buy two of the Psystar systems for about the price of a single XServe and have a spare server in case of failure! How's that for a support plan? ]]>Jun 21st 2008 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
An OpenServ with a 2.66GHz CPU and OS X Server comes up to $2724.99. I guess the value is in that it comes with 4GB RAM and a 750GB drive... where as a genuine Xserve has a 2.8GHz CPU but 2GB RAM and an 80GB (!) drive for $2999.]]>Jun 20th 2008 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 10:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
also, since when do servers need support, the occasional rebuild, etc? oh right, usually during the times of serious crisis...
]]>Jun 20th 2008 10:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
Trying to get ahold of Microsoft is useless, and I barely trust Sun with hardware support.

I've never tried to deal with Apple server support since we only have a couple XServes.

Speaking as an agent of an enterprise that spends large amount of money with both vendors.]]>Jun 20th 2008 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Need ZFS? OpenSolaris.

Seriously, what the heck is even the point of this?]]>Jun 20th 2008 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
Engadget: So much in love with apple related stuff, it's unnatural]]>Jun 20th 2008 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 1:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers//sarcasm]]>Jun 21st 2008 1:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 10:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 2:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/but no, too outrageous. ]]>Jun 20th 2008 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/31/us_army_mac_attack/
Think before you speak.]]>Jun 21st 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 20th 2008 11:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
Now I've seen it all.
April Fools was over 2+ months ago.]]>Jun 21st 2008 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 1:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 1:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
With rack real estate at a premium, wasting it with low end Apple or Apple knock off servers just is not going to cut it. I don't even want to think of running our VM infrastructure on countless low end servers like these. The HP ProLiant GL58x on the other hand, now there is a real server!]]>Jun 21st 2008 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
Are you saying the HPs are better because they come preinstalled with a different operating system?]]>Jun 21st 2008 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/06/04/apples-xserve-sales-take-a-big-jump-in-q406

Also here a a review of their xserve... "the Xserve delivers a turnkey server environment that offers out-of-the-box productivity difficult to match with enterprise PC servers."
http://www.serverwatch.com/sreviews/article.php/3738761
]]>Jun 21st 2008 3:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Its easy to make stupid claims before you know what your talking
about... beside being a superior server they have actually been
selling quite good, and these are 2007s numbers 2008s are even
higher...

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/06/04/apples-xserve-sales-take-a-big-jump-in-q406

Also here a a review of their xserve... "the Xserve delivers a
turnkey server environment that offers out-of-the-box productivity
difficult to match with enterprise PC servers."

http://www.serverwatch.com/sreviews/article.php/3738761


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seriously even windows servers are better.

Personally, i think, if you are running a server with a "pretty" GUI, that shows your first problem (shouldn't your resources be dedicated to something useful?)

if you don't know how to run a server from a command prompt, you probably should be considering a different career.

oh, and 3d shops i know don't use macs, unless your in Japan.]]>Jun 21st 2008 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/how many 3d shops do you know?
personal experience of "shops dont use macs"
isnt exactly proof unless you have actually seen a majority of shops.]]>Jun 21st 2008 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/]]>Jun 21st 2008 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
You do realize that once the GUI is up and running, it takes a little RAM, and negligible active CPU time, right? You know that it's about the same amount of CPU time as MySQL takes listening for connections, right? You know that's why Windows servers actually achieve any performance at all, and OS X has the added benefit of not having the UI layer in the kernel, right?

Yeah, thought you didn't.]]>Jun 21st 2008 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/
Your logical fallacy of, it looks good so it must be inferior is ignorant.]]>Jun 21st 2008 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Watch, well see more little companies pop up with non-apple branded machine with OSX installed.
They are testing the waters people. Don't be fooled.]]>Jun 21st 2008 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/Jun 21st 2008 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/psystar-puffs-out-its-chest-introduces-off-license-os-x-servers/only 8700 units? are you kidding me?.
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From http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15057/1023 Windows server has a 70% market share, 20% Linux, Unix > 10%, and Netware making up the rest.

According to http://news.cnet.com/Windows-bumps-Unix-as-top-server-OS/2100-1016_3-6041804.html (a 2006 study, but even if you say that Apple grew 73%, you can still make some assumptions):

"The Unix market, though, is still huge, and the three major players are fighting for every scrap. In another first, IBM secured the top spot in 2005, with 31.8 percent of the market to Hewlett-Packard's 29.8 percent and Sun's 26.2 percent."

I will assume that OSX is in that >10% Unix portion. But that 10% UNIX also includes Solaris, HP-UX, and AIX, very popular servers in the UNIX community.

Sun shipped 20000 x86 servers in one quarter of FY2006 (yes, a few years back, but market share does not change dramatically year over year, and is included in the percentages from above for UNIX) according to http://news.cnet.com/Sun-shipped-about-8%2C000-Galaxy-servers/2110-1010_3-6031248.html?tag=nw.2

This means that there are about 76300 UNIX servers sold/quarter, or 762000 total servers sold/quarter, giving OSX a 1.14% total market share, and Windows a total of 533400 sold/quarter. 533400>>8700.

The final results are not exact (SUN sells more than just x86 servers), but it would actually bring down the percentages for Apple, not make it better.]]>Jun 21st 2008 3:35PM