http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/ Engadget Comments for Intel exec says NVIDIA's CUDA will be a "footnote" in history http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 8:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
Don't make me break my footnote off in your ass!

-nVidia]]>Jul 2nd 2008 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Anyways Cuda? i miss the point of this, we already have Intel releasing quad cores with 11ghz overall of power (and only F@H supports 4 cores) then theres the MAC 8 core, so do we need to run our computer of a GTX280 or Quadro card? perhaps i am missing the point of it but it sounds a little secondary to me.

What i want to see is Intel do something like upgrade the gfx cards they release, i am sick of 128mb cards to run 'fifa' or 'madden']]>Jul 2nd 2008 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
You will never see a CPU being replaced by an all in one GPGPU, but you will see GPUs ripping CPUs a new one in certain specialized applications.]]>Jul 2nd 2008 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/"quad cores with 11ghz overall of power"
:D power for a processor comes from how many calculations it can perform per unit time - usually referred to as "flops" (floating point operations per second)]]>Jul 2nd 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
I think Gelsinger is (A) saying this to protect Intel's interests seeing as it is that Intel has nothing in the GPU market and (B) will end up eating his own words as stuff like OpenCL evolves and provides easy platform-independent access to the GPU power.

I do agree with him that CUDA will be a footnote - an approach like OpenCL - which is not tied to a particular vendor - is a lot more useful.. CUDA was the first step in making programming for GPUs easier, OpenCL is the next one. This isn't going to go away any time soon. ]]>Jul 2nd 2008 6:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
if your computing task has a lot can be parallelized, you might achieve more than 10x speedup if not a hundred. you can check out some of their charts, they did achieve 100 time speedup in some of the applications.

But I do agree that the programming interface isn't optimal. it's not so easy to achieve cool speedup if you are not expert. ]]>Jul 3rd 2008 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
Intel... wake up. There are reasons why houses are not built by one person. Can one person do it? Eventually, yes, but why not ask for assistance in the form of co-processors (e.g., dedicated video chipsets)?]]>Jul 2nd 2008 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
With the Pentium, they could have gone down that path. And I'd suspect that SOC for Pentium (with all the subsystems) on the same chip isn't difficult at all because many manufacturers like TI have been doing that for a long time. But integrating all these subsystems requires a lot of budget and in a time, when people are looking for performance, you would want to spend all that budget, resources and transistor count on adding performance to your chip.]]>Jul 2nd 2008 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Repairman: That'll be $300,000, we'll replace the house, not just the door.
Owner: WHAT!!!! Why?? I just need the door.
Repairman: You can't. It is one complete package, for your convenience.

This reminded me of a wireless all-in-one printer from HP that I wanted to use to scan a document but I couldn't because it ran out of ink.

All-in-one device (be it pc, printer, phone) is OK as long as it serves its intended purpose right.]]>Jul 2nd 2008 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
It's worth noting all Macs now use off the shelf Intel processors, the same you'd expect to find in equivalent PCs. The only real difference between Macs and PCs nowadays is the software they run and the case they come in. ]]>Jul 2nd 2008 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/

The current Quad Core Mac Pro has a single x5400 series CPU while the original Mac Pro contained a pair of "Woodcrest" Dual Core Xeon 5100 series CPUs.

...I think I just became a fanboy :-0]]>Jul 2nd 2008 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
The Mac Pro is a DUAL PROCESSOR workstation just like many other PC company workstations. They just happen to use TWO quad-core CPUs, given a machine total of 8 cores. But it's disingenuous to call it an "octo-core" as many fanboys like to do, since that would really refer to 8 cores in ONE CPU package. ]]>Jul 3rd 2008 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
You did literally the same less than 20 years ago with external FPU.

History's repeating itself.

As it was 15 years ago, people had to maintain two versions of code - one CPU-only and second CPU and FPU - the same happens now: people would (and already do) maintain two (or more) versions of code: one for CPU/plain DirectX, second/etc for nVidia'a CUDA/ATI's Stream/etc.]]>Jul 2nd 2008 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
This is why I think the x86-larrabee solution is elegant in a way that you are still working with the same instruction set which means that there is very little to change over in terms of porting of code. The other is that now the same code can run on the CPU (with larrabee or not) and it would be transparent to the end-user and even the programmer.]]>Jul 2nd 2008 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
And this kind of technology really won't take off in PC-land until Microsoft does something about it. No developer really wants to have two sets of codebases to write/debug/maintain. It's a total pain in the ass.]]>Jul 2nd 2008 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/will be created that developers target and which will then converts the instructions to native ATI/Nvidia/Intel's hardware ---- just as was done for graphics programming with OpenGL and DirectX.

Apple's OpenCL system may just become this industry-wide standard...]]>Jul 3rd 2008 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 7:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/-Obviously the man has never played FPSs.

Besides, if that scientist can throw together 8 PS3s and make a supercomputer, can't somebody get our GPUs ripping?]]>Jul 2nd 2008 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
They also constantly tout the nonsensical statement of "Intel sells more graphics chips than any other single vendor" in the hopes of convincing people (and themselves) will be content using a crappy generic graphics chipset for FPS games (haha - wotta total joke that is!)]]>Jul 2nd 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/
Once AMD and Intel do that Nvidia is out of business because all you need for video can be slipped into the north bridge and would take up very few transistors to provide the frame buffer and signal converters. ]]>Jul 2nd 2008 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/intel-exec-says-nvidias-cuda-will-be-a-footnote-in-history/Jul 2nd 2008 5:54PM