http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Actually, this isn't even quite the same as those. This is more like blaming a popular file on a BitTorrent site for making the program too attractive to people, and then trying to sue.

Come on, dude. This is a bad time to try your hand at blaming the victim.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
@Pochi: You comparison is not adequate. The popular file can be consumed without BitTorrent, in a legal way. This product can only be used if you break the law.]]>Jul 17th 2008 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/I don't think "This product can only be used if you break the law" is accurate. You would most likely be violating your contract if you jailbreak your iPhone, but I'm not sure what law is being broken. DMCA? That is a nonsense law anyway and deserves to be challenged.

I think these carriers are going to have a hard time defending these policies. It would be one thing if you are tampering with the part of the software which interfaces with the network, i.e. if the change could be considered a danger to the network. But a change in the type of data traffic is a bit more far fetched. I'm not sure how ISPs have done so far in keeping their TOS restrictions on certain types of traffic (e.g. bittorrent) in cases where the ISP cancelled a contract with a user because of a claimed breach on the usage terms. Anyone know of suits that were brought and decided by a court, one way or the other?]]>Jul 17th 2008 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Most likely if a suit was filed it'd be in Germany, since that's where the contract supposedly being interfered with was executed, but then again the US is a riper ground for this sort of specious "you're giving people the tools to break an agreement they made with us" barratry thanks to the recent Blizzard win.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Just one more reason for the jailbreak team to work extra hard.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
We can't be messing up our phone nicknames here!

After a quick Google, it appears both are referred to as the Jesus phone...wtfh...there is only one true Son of God (Phone)!]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
That said, with the instant messaging through AIM and (soon) Agile, most of the time I'd much rather get an IM from someone rather than talk to them in the first place.]]>Jul 17th 2008 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 9:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 18th 2008 12:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
This makes absolutely no sense and is an example of telecoms at their worst.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Again, I'm all for taking it The Man, but I don't see how is this a "good fight." T-Mobile is simply holding up their end of the contract, which all you iPhonies signed up to.]]>Jul 17th 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
"All I'm saying is that it's pretty clear that to get this software working, you have to break the terms of agreement with the carrier. What's so confusing about T-Mobile fighting back, and who cares if one is in CA and the other in Germany?

Are you a moron? The company that produces the VOIP application has no relationship whatsoever to T-mobile, and they are not doing anything illegal. It is the SOLE responsibility and choice of the consumer to use software that goes against the agreements of the contract they entered into. Why in the hell would the company be at all liable for certain people breaking the terms of their own contracts by using the company's software?

God, I am so sick of all of this BS litigation! What ever happened to individual responsibility? Why aren't the courts able to toss this crap out immediately?






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Poor T-mobile, it must suck to see the end of blackmail minute charges and long distance rates staring you in the face like a train in a tunnel.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 18th 2008 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Eh? I must have missed that memo. Care to elaborate?]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Anti-competitive: Locked into a single carrier per country. You have to pay AT&T a fixed amount of money if you want to use the iPhone legitimately

Closed: All legit applications must be downloaded via the app store.

Yes, there are ways around all that, but they are of questionable legitimacy and not something the average Joe consumer would generally be able to do.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
The "closed" system is absolute bunk. Anyone can develop applications for the iPhone that do anything short of malware or pornography. Find me a developer who is disappointed about the App Store.]]>Jul 18th 2008 3:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/1) Pay T-Mobile a big chunk of change each month.
2) Use their iPhone without using T-Mobile's network.

T-Mobile are screwed if customers still give them lots of money but don't make any demands on the T-Mobile network.

Wait... Hang on...]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/A carrier fighting VoIP because they sell minutes would be like Apple not putting an FM radio in their iPhone/iPod devices they sell music....oh wait.

]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Not really, here's 3 reasons:

1. T-Mobile's iPhone plans (except the basic one) include free WiFi over T-Mobile's hotspots
2. Although the plans include free minutes, T-Mobile will want to sell per-minute fees once the free minutes are used up
3. VoIP would be especially interesting when you go abroad, where the included minutes are not valid and T-Mobile will charge high international and roaming charges.

Nevertheless (or because of that) I hope that Sipgate will find some way to keep up the service ...]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
I kind of feel bad for iPhone users because your potential is limited by silly software and contractual limitations.

If the iPhone had it all (which I believe it still doesn't), it would still be limited just by the fact that it is the iPhone and only one of it exists at a time.

I really hope poeple read my comment and don't just see M$ and think I am a fanboy of some sort. ]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
mmm ... this applies to every cellular service that I've come across.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/
Being attractive and enticing people isn't the crime; nor should big companies like T-Mobile force everyone to wear school uniforms.]]>Jul 17th 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/t-mobile-germany-says-sipgate-makes-jailbreaking-too-attractive/Jul 17th 2008 2:54PM