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STFU and let you engineering dept handle the development.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
Using the same logic as Apple afficionado's:

Why should Microsoft optimise its OS for the HDD that make up a TINY (Nanoscule) proportion of the market. Microsoft, unlike the protectionistic policy of Apple does not go as far as Apple in dictating exactly what hardware its software should run on.

Does Sandisk say that Apple is optimised for SSD's ? I think frickin' not. But lets wait until Tom tests these claims out (which they will). BE CAREFUL Apple afficionado's, you girls are gonna have to stick with your statements, coz if Tom comes back with the conclusion that OSX isn't optimised for SSD's, since Apple ACTUALLY prescribes and makes the hardware OSX is to be run on, then you girls will look really stupid, coz that conclusion will show that Apple screwed up.

Microsoft just makes the tires for the vehicle. You decide which vehivcles to put the tires on.

You girls are on shakey ground.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
Tom's Hardware has an excellent reptutation around the internet. But am I the only one who finds it ironic, that you based your whole argument about SDD's on Tom's when their last SDD test was debunked as false.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
You can't blame Microsoft. for the 4 (more?) years they were working on Vista, SSDs seemed far off and in the future. Windows 7 maybe will be able to detect whether or not it's on an SSD and format accordingly.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
As an aside, I found it very annoying that Vista constantly rattled away on my HD. On a notebook, that can't be good for battery life. I got rid of it now, back to XP - at least I know what it's doing most of the time.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
The hell I can't. If they didn't design an OS that handled the VERY likely scenario that SSDs could be popular during Vistas lifetime, they are a bunch of incompetent fools.

Of course.. this will all probably be debunked a few posts down right?]]>Jul 23rd 2008 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
I would like to know which OS is optimized for flash memory. OS X obviously isn't either if you look at the speed "advantage" of an SSD over the normal HDD in the MBA.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
(yes, im an apple fan boy. and proud of it)]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
VOTED DOWN]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
now you need to believe in a higher power]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
I'm eagerly anticipating the Core OCZ or new Ridata SSD's to show up at the local computer shops so I can see how well my "non-optimized" Vista laptop will perform with one.
]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/(no I am _not_ an apple fanboy)]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
You do not optimize hardware to work on software. You build the hardware to optimize tasks and then the software should be optimized to run on the hardware. It's not up to the hardware makers to fix Microsoft's faults. Microsoft released a software product that was substandard and wrought with problems. Surprise, Surprise. It took 7 years for XP to get as stable as it is now, and that's not a compliment.

CEO's need to start to STFU and get back to work. Not about to have Moores law broken because some CEO decided to talk out his ass more than actually getting frigging work done.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
That, and the lack of actual numbers, substituted by wild claims, makes me call BS.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
One example is the file system. Why is it that Windows based file systems need to be defragged, yet other more advanced file systems (ext2, ext3, resier, xfs, etc...) do not. The way the data is stored on the drive can be a very big factor on performance.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
Sorry, but you're simply wrong. The OS doesn't deal with the drive. It deals with the controller. The file system determines how the OS writes the files to the disk... -through the controller-.

"The point is that there is a lot more than your narrow explaination of the OS just talking to the controller, one example is file systems."

No, file systems are not that one example. The fact that NTFS fragments is irrelevant because fragmentation doesn't have negative consequences on SSD. So what are the other many examples? List a few.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/For every disk read, the magnetic head must move to the right spot on the platter.
Optimally the the data to be read is all close together which is why defragging is useful. Different filesystems organize data differently some better some worse, all with trade-offs depending on file sizes, how often read/write etc.

This does not apply to solid state memory. The cost to read one memory location is the same to read another. There is no machinery that needs repositioning.
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@Balam: I would argue that OS X is similarly ill-suited for an SSD. You know how OS X and HFS+ automatically defrags files? Wait, you're a fanboy, so you don't concern yourself with technical details like that. Anyway, there is a lot of writing going on in the background under OS X, to keep files defragged. That's a great way to run down the limited number of write cycles your SSD memory cells can handle before failing.

Too bad the CEO also did not concern himself with any actual technical details. Are we talking about performance problems, or wear levelling issues? I suspect he is just throwing out a red herring to draw the spotlight away from deficiencies in SanDisk's SSD products.
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for instance:
"the app could have been done by now if it weren't for Vista!"
"our graphics card would be *really* fast if it weren't for Vista!"
"my comments would be a lot funnier if it weren't for Vista!"

and so on....]]>Jul 22nd 2008 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/Jul 22nd 2008 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
Does anyone here even know what the fuck they're talking about? The challenge against Vista is a technical one (perhaps from a credible source), and we need to know the technical details in order to come down on one side or the other.

Broad allegations like, 'well, all OSes aren't optimized for SSDs,' or 'it doesn't matter to the OS--it's the job of the SATA controller,' are absolutely worthless without proof. This is not another thread where hearsay can pass for valid argument.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/22/sandisk-ceo-says-vista-not-optimized-for-ssds/
Did you guys just stumble in here by accident or what?

This is a tech forum. A lot of people here ARE experts: we work in the IT field with this sort of hardware/software interaction every day.

And since you are so worried about solid facts instead of 'hearsay', where is Mr. CEO's facts? He didn't provide any specifics, just throwing out vague allegations. Like others have said here, this smacks more of a red herring attempt to divert attention from his company's problematic products than any real, educated assessment of OS/hardware interaction backed by real evidence.]]>Jul 22nd 2008 11:37AM