http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/ Engadget Comments for Java homebrew devkit for the PS3 emerges, nobody cares http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/-__-]]>Jul 23rd 2008 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
Is it 1997 again?]]>Jul 23rd 2008 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/As long as it's good enough that people (clients and workers) don't wine about it and it's cheap, game on.

This leads nicely into the part about java being slow... It is.
No, there are no "High Performance Games" in Java, there are some engines and 3d apps, but let me know when the next Crysis, MGS, Gears or the like is "Powered by Java".

There may be a lot of things java does well, high performance isn't on that list.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
No, it's not slow, you just can't code straight to metal, and it's managed only code, which makes it a PITA to use for real-time systems. Most games that use Java don't want you to know about it because people like you give it a bad name. For instance, star wars galaxies makes no mention of it's use of Java. There must be at least half a dozen different quake 3 java ports floating around the net too.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
Actually, I've seen some pretty impressive games made in Java, but it's not low-level enough to make something like Crysis. But I doubt the homebrew scene is going to attempt anything like that. One could, for example, make a ROM emulator though.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
Java might not be a good choice for a specialized application such as as 3D game engine but it's plenty good for general purpose stuff. Not only that but native support for threads means it should be much easier to write code taking advantage of PS3's cell (as long as JVM is written well).

If some of these whiners actually wrote code for a living, they'd realize that squeezing 100% out of available hardware is rarely of concern to companies. Speed of development, reuse and modularity, ease of maintenance and flexibility for change have been at the forefront for over a decade. Gaming is an exception so while it gains speed necessary for 3D engine, it certainly suffers in other areas, as I'm sure older gamers have noticed - i.e. many usability aspects of modern games are lagging behind other contemporary software.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/25/ps3-running-windows/ so that we can run GEARS OF WAR FOR WINDOWS ON THE PS3. Just sayin...]]>Jul 23rd 2008 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
this is worse than those flash "homebew" things that came out for the psp's browser. -___-

with the blu-rays java:
"1. You cannot read or write local files.
2. You cannot list the contents of a directory."
(came from the site listed)

that means no save files, no config files, no rom loading, pretty limiting indeed.


since this is not an exploit and is running on sony code, i dont expect this to change.

]]>Jul 23rd 2008 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Not that I can complain too much: having UBuntu in my living room on my 42" 1080p with wireless keyboard / mouse setup from my sofa is pretty damn cool and I am impressed that Sony gives us that option. It would just be nice though if i didnt need to so for something like playing amedia file.
And while we're on the subject, Sony: please license a real fucking browser already, OK?]]>Jul 23rd 2008 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/I do not see why this made engadget]]>Jul 23rd 2008 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
Anyhoo, This IS actually something that could be usefull, especially in lou of the new 80 gb model NOT having backwards compatibility. Go figure.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 11:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
Ps3 has had a really slow, almost nonexistent homebrew scene, especially compared to the psp. Maybe with the rise in sales lately it might attract some decent programmers to get this started. ]]>Jul 23rd 2008 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
And why the hate on java? Just because you dropped out of the CS program at your local community college because you couldnt hack it as a java dev, doesnt mean you should be hating on java. . . ]]>Jul 23rd 2008 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
Java on cellphones (JME): limited. Targets least common denominator low-cost hardware. Often very slow. Android uses the Java language but will run much faster.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 23rd 2008 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/"java based" game you saw... give me a f*cking break i would have been more excited for native flash support in the xmb.]]>Jul 23rd 2008 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
lol @ "nobody cares" :)]]>Jul 23rd 2008 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 24th 2008 12:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 24th 2008 1:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/
You want to make six figures as developer? develop in C# or be the most brilliant LAMP developer in your city (black Linkin Park t-shirt and all). The choice is simple.



]]>Jul 24th 2008 4:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Jul 24th 2008 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/23/java-homebrew-devkit-for-the-ps3-emerges-nobody-cares/Java is more performant than C++ for most use cases. Google for it. And to the last guy who said C# devs make more, just go on Dice and do a comparison of C# jobs vs. Java jobs.
That's one good thing about Google, it makes the troll's job that much harder.]]>Jul 25th 2008 12:13PM