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Not even mentioning the possibility, that in the future, the DRM servers might get dow-

Wait a minute.]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
It's been happening with video game manufacturers for years now. They add all of this protection that infects your machine with crapware like Starforce or locks out a user after he or she farts a little too loudly (Mass Effect) which only serves to annoy the people that actually purchased the product. The people these tactics are aimed against just crack the software, remove the offending features, and play the game with more freedom than the legits.]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
2) ...WHAT?]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
I put the cd in my disc drive and push the "rip" button in my media player of choice. Even a monkey can push a button....]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
I was talking to you, not him. I don't get all the Oxford shit.

"...you need a degree from Oxford to bypass the copy protection measures in CDs..."

A degree, or, maybe http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ ?]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Uuhhh, I don't know what CDs you have been listening to but I've never had a problem ripping any CD from any label ever. I am an Oxford grad, though, so it comes to me easily.

By the way, "legimately" doesn't mean anything.]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
1) Insert Cd
2) Launch CDex
3) Click Rip

Maybe I should go to college, this crap is easy.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
I entirely agree. Although I am not a big gamer, I have indeed heard horror stories about titles like Mass Effect. Many games apparently make you CONNECT TO THE INTERNET JUST TO PLAY! So if you are on an airplane or anywhere else without WiFi, you actually can't even play a game in single-player mode! That's outrageous.

On a related note, does anyone remember the old-school "DRM" way back in the day where upon launch a game would ask you a question that you would have to look up in the printed manual to be able to start the game:

"Please enter the word: Page 52, Paragraph 7, Line 3, Word 11"

Anyone remember this?


Or what about an included circular-shaped multi-layered paper thing binded in the center. The front circle would have little boxes cut out of it with numbers next to them and you would rotate the sub-layers to expose words through the the little cutout boxes. Similar to above, the game would tell you to rotate the different layers in such a way, and tell you which box to look at. Then you would have to enter the correct word/number to start the game.

remember? ]]>Jul 26th 2008 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
I hate to become a mouthpiece for Tunebite, but it gets the job done without wasting a blank CD-R.

It takes any DRM-protected file and converts them without much loss to a much more open format like .mp3 or .avi.

I have proof, my collection of mp3's that I got from my monthly Napster subscription.

Of course I don't give my mp3's to anyone, I just use them on my crappy mp3 player that doesn't support DRM protected music.

Stupid Meizu M6!]]>Jul 25th 2008 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 26th 2008 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
I like to see the RIAA sue someone for stealing music that the 'thief' previously legally purchased, that would crack this whole $#!%fest wide open.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Buy disc. Rip. Enjoy.]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Aug 4th 2008 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
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And even IF Apple were to shut down the ITMS, they have already stated that they would come up with a way for people to keep their music already purchased.

Microsoft won't do that. Yahoo isn't. What makes anyone think any other music service can compare?]]>Jul 25th 2008 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
If ITMS ever does close, you will not be able to keep your music unless the practice of allowing DRM to be converted to non-DRM (without further loss) becomes generally accepted (i.e. Hell has frozen and or RIAA is out of business)]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Really, I would never buy anything from iTunes. But that's probably because a GNU/Linux-using non-iPod-owner isn't very well supported.]]>Jul 25th 2008 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
DRM is lunacy for bought music, the world is a different places now then when all we had were record players, anything can play optical disc and even more things can play digital music why should we be restricted for paying, the only thing DRM does is restrict legitimate customers.

As consumers the only power we have with these companies, is our wallets: if you don't want DRM, then don't buy it.

If I were a customer of Yahoo! Music Store, I would demand my money back.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
1. Pirated MP3 is FREE, Legal MP3 is not.

2. Pirated MP3 can be downloaded in 320kbps, VBR, lossless etc. DRM Music is stuck in a crappy 128kbps

3. Pirated MP3 is portable to other computer, DRM music is limited.

4. You can keep your pirated MP3 as long as you like, depending on your backup, you can keep your DRM music as long as the store supports it and the lifespan of your computer (better start installing multiple anti virus, or your music will go down with your corrupted OS).

**I know all of you are aware of this difference between the 2, but what im trying to point is, of the 4 items i wrote, #1 should be the only disadvantage legal customers should have, if companies are trying to kill piracy, then stop screwing your legal customers, your just pushing them to start piracy.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Trouble is, with all the internet monitoring going on, I have to source my DRM free gear from street dealers. So now I AM funding terrorism, war and plague, where I wasn't before. Nice job Studios.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 26th 2008 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 26th 2008 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Start stripping before you are toast.... On another note JerkyChew has a point. It has been statd in the pas that Yahoo would be moving to Rhapsody. Yahoo still uses their same Musicbox interface so I am not sure where this is at.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
DRM hugely inconveniences me and I have never illegally shared my music collection. When will the realize that pirates are the only people who AREN'T negatively affected by DRM?]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
"Thats why I buy from iTunes. I have confidence that Apple won't just suddenly stop its service."]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Start with an audio file that has been encoded with lossy compression; this means that data has been selectively discarded in such a way that, most of the time, you won't hear it. But unlike a lossless compression such as WMA Lossless, FLAC, ZIP, DriveSpace (haha) etc., the compression cannot be undone; you cannot get back the full data that was once there.

Now, burn this to a CD. In order to burn it to a Redbook audio CD, it has to be decoded to straight PCM audio data (the same data that's fed to your sound card and turned into analog audio that you can hear). The PCM audio data, though, is missing some of the original data due to the aforementioned lossy compression.

Once again, you rip this CD into the computer. The ripping process itself is lossless; however, you're likely to also be compressing this into an MP3 or other lossy format. In which case, you're taking your already reduced-quality audio, and reducing its quality further.

"But if it was already lossy-compressed, why does it need to be re-compressed?" Because it was decoded and converted into PCM audio data... Where each audio sample is represented by all 16 bits, 44,100 samples per second. The compression and data that was thrown out cannot be derived, and so it is recompressed as though it were any other CD audio.]]>Jul 25th 2008 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
And as for those crazy DRM's on CD's, I've bought CD's from overseas where DRM is not used.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/
Not defending DRM here, just wondering about the article.]]>Jul 25th 2008 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/yahoo-music-store-taking-drm-servers-offline-freezing-out-cust/Jul 25th 2008 12:01PM