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Oooh, bet you weren't expecting that one!]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
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fyi probably wrong]]>Aug 22nd 2008 1:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
if you're going to use an outdated internet meme, at least get it right]]>Aug 24th 2008 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
There are lots of applications for this much RAM. I know I am drooling at the prospect of running our SQL databases entirely off the RAM (and yes, there are plenty of ways to build redundancy in case of power failure). Many other applications that need high I/O speeds would love to have this kind of RAM, too.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
That has to be one of the most wrongly-attributed quotes of all time.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
Stern is right. Vista x64 DOES use more memory because of the larger pointers. More complex data models, such as SILP64 not only use 64-bit pointers, but 64-bit short, long, and super long integer values as well. Thus, everything takes up more space.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
soon we'll see dual channel 8 and 16 gigs.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
How long will it be before we can use this ridiculous amount of ram for general purposes?]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
That's incorrect. Intel 5400 server chipsets can handle that much exactly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182155
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Windows Vista Edition 64-bit Maximum Memory Sizes:
Home Basic = 8 GB
Home Premium = 16 GB
Ultimate = 128+ GB
Business = 128+ GB
Enterprise = 128+ GB ]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/If you look at Vista it says 128+ GB.
That means Microsoft tested Vista to run with 128GB, but knows that it can handle even more... just expect that it might have an issue and a bug fix will be required.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
How is that "right," Good_Bytes? Vista x64 is a 64-bit OS. Home Basic and Home Premium max out at 8GB and 16GB respectively. So, yeah. I don't know what else to say.

And it's not a bug.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/And it's not a bug.

No, it's a soft limit. Your argument is invalid.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
Microsoft put those limitations on there. They typically put stupid limitations on their lower end stuff.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist:
Basic: uses vista kernel
Premium: uses exact same kernel

difference? none.


just that microsoft put a limit on it like they put ridiculous limits on that "starter" vista that they are selling (like only old CPU's like PIII and stuff) which was hacked to unlock all hardware in about a day.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
My argument is invalid? Okay Hal. And no it isn't.

"Any 64bit OS can use 160GB RAM."

Vista Home Basic x64 is a 64-bit OS. It can not use 160GB of RAM. No matter WHAT THE REASON, it can't! End of story!]]>Aug 22nd 2008 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
I'm sure most engadget readers would agree that the keyword here is "can"
all 64bit OS including Vista can use most (if not the whole) of 64bit bus, M$ just didn't enable it because they don't want people to buy Home Basic for Servers.
Anyhow I don't think you can call Home Basic and Ultimate a different OS, it's the same Vista, with different features enabled.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
Right. If the keyword here were "COULD," I would agree. All 64-bit operating systems COULD use 160GB+ of RAM if they were designed to do so. However, not all of them CAN use that much, as some (see above) have limitations placed on them.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Possible to run 128GB on that board, cost is pretty high though.

2x4GB kits run around 500 so 64GB for 4,000. Which really isnt ALL that bad of price.

To get to 128GB, you need 16*8GB sticks and this is were it gets expense. 1 8GB stick is around 1600, so 16*1,600=25,600
http://shopper.cnet.com/ram-random-access-memory/kingston-valueram-memory-8/4014-3046_9-32848071.html?tag=srch_4_1

Now one interesting think I did see at the Heros happen here launch was a box demo by IBM in the vendors area. They had a 3U or 5U server that could be connected with up to 3 other identical boxes to run as one physical system. Each box had 4 quad core Xeons and up to 128GB of DDR3. So you max out all 4 boxes and you have 4x4x4= 16 physical chips with 64 cores and 4x128GB = 512 GB of DDR3 ram. Cost? Well lets not get into that.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
@ Dan

Good_Bytes is addressing the fact that Vista could run 160GB memory, but only under Ultimate, Enterprise, and Business flavors, as per your provided info. But yeah, I see what you mean.

@ A1, Jason, Silverfrog, KC

No, 64-bit OSs aren't that simple. Vista uses the LLP64 data model. Though the pointers are 64-bit, the short, integral, and long values remain 32-bit. Yes, 64-bit data models are ABLE to hit 16.8EB, but for the sake of ease, Windevelopers chose a less complex 64-bit data model. LLP64 can still hit these limits, but problems such as the int overflowing long, or long long overflowing int can occur because int and long aren't 64-bit (NOTE: These aren't typos). Also, the drivers for Direct Memory Access must take into account device memory restrictions. A cap means that instead of checking for 0-16.8EB, it'll check for 0-128 GB (or whatever the current Vista drivers support). This makes their and your lives a lot less complicated. Note that "crippling" might not connote the right meanings, since the soft cap is typically out of practical range.

A lot of operating systems employ soft caps because of the OS's ability to address all the memory. Ubuntu 8.04 x64 just recently added support for more than 8GB of RAM. Seeing as how Ubuntu is FREE, it doesn't have anything to do with Canonical crippling the kernel so consumers have to bust out cash on more expensive editions. Redhat Enterprise, knowing their server market well, set the physical limit at 256 TB.

L2 code. Noobs.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
Look into Egenera ... quad socket (with quadcore chips) with 96GB of ram. ]]>Aug 22nd 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
You clearly know more about this than the previous 10 commenters combined.]]>Aug 22nd 2008 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/Aug 22nd 2008 9:20AM