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The N95 has outsold every other high end phone on the planet. The N96 will sell simply by association.

]]>Aug 26th 2008 3:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
Nokia need to stop making identikit smartphones with only minor variances and concentrate on producing, say, three high end devices - a QWERTY based business phone (and they've done that with the E71), an excellent multimedia phone (the N85 comes close to this) and a touchscreen smartphone. They can do one or two minor variants but not half a dozen near identical units.

The other thing they need to do is to stop fannying about with different media distribution channels. We don't need, N-Gage, Download!, Nokia Music Store and Ovi, we just need a one stop shop like the iPhone has because otherwise it's too much of a pain in the arse to deal with. Sure, allow users to download from other sites - because Apple's lock in really sucks considering their quality control is so fundamentally flawed - but give them the option of an easy to use walled garden if they want it.

Nokia have grown too big too quickly and they need a butcher to come in and do some serious rationalisation or we may have another Motorola on our hands.]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Sell by association? How? Whenever I see someone with nokia I laugh and they usually say "yeah I can't wai till my contract us up"

Side note, did anyone else hear that "winmo magazine" just suspended themselves and became "iPhone life"]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
No, sold out as in 'everything'.

Now please pour petrol over yourself and have a cigarette.]]>Aug 26th 2008 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/now go learn to read]]>Aug 26th 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
"Sell by association? How? Whenever I see someone with nokia I laugh and they usually say "yeah I can't wai till my contract us up""

This coming from the person obviously in love with his iProducts.]]>Aug 27th 2008 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
And I was referring to you. Now go die in a fire.]]>Aug 27th 2008 3:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/So all of these are missing VoiP:
http://gigaom.com/2008/08/23/no-voip-in-new-nokia-n-series-devices-is-nokia-turning-its-back-on-voip/

Maybe it justifies the higher price tag ;) N96 is just a rip-off of N95.]]>Aug 26th 2008 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
http://www.fring.com/fring_is/what_is_fring/

http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/008/08/fring_for_s60_fp2_devices.htm]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
http://www.talkonaut.com/]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
Well said.]]>Aug 26th 2008 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
I'm a long time Nokia fan. I'm still rocking the original N95 which was released in Europe, and I love it. But compared to today's phones, it's outdated. I've already had a chance to play with the Samsung Omnia, and while the Touch screen wasn't something I particulary was fond of, the slim form factor (even the 16gb) coupled with a great 5 mpx camera kind of put things in prespective as to how Nokia have lagged behind in the top-level phone competition.

Samsung and Sony are already comin out with 8 mpx's by the end of the year, and Nokia is still delaying the release of it's outdated 16gb N96. C'mon!!!! give us the tube, or give us an 8mpx, or give us something!!
More and more companies are coming into the phone market now...the competition is getting tougher, and I think Nokia is going to go back to basing it's profit margin on low and mid end phones...not high end phones. And I honestly DO NOT see the reason to spend over $800 on the N96, when specs wise,..it has nothing substantial over the N95. If the N96 came in at $500, I would still think about it...but it's a HELL NO! at any phone above $650!]]>Aug 26th 2008 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
And cramming megapixels in cameras is just plain stupid. It will result in blurry, and noisy images. 2 megapixels is 1600x1200, probably more than your display can handle, so why get even worse shots.

I'd much rather have a good shot at 640x480 than awful, blurry and ugly photo at 8000x6000

Get a real camera if you need 8000x6000, seriously.

And not big upgrades? I think that

Better Camera

16gb integrated memory

DVB-H (Mobile TV)

Upgraded ram and Symbian 9.3 (No more MEMORY OUT : CLOSE APPLICATIONS)

Bigger Display

Hardware acceleration for video codecs for H.264 and WMV

dual-band HSDPA

Is improved.


6220c is the poor mans N96.]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
The Nokia N95 sells at around $400-$450 now. Reasonably, what justifies the price tag jump to $850 hmmm?

1) It's no revolutionizer in terms of phone functionality. THAT credit belongs to the N95, and it got it's due.
2) the same gosh darn 5 mpx camera
3) 16 gb. Oooohhh!! A jump from the 8GB version that's been selling for over a year now. When, in fact, the iphone's been out with a 16gb phone for 2 years now. Who the hell stores that much data in a 2.6 inch display screen cell phone anyway? Rather than enjoying my movie/sitcom, i'd be pissed at the small screen. As for songs, my 2gb micro sd card is MORE than enough. (and it cost me $10 only)
4) Better camera? That verdict is still out.
5) I'll give you that it's got an up on "upgraded Ram", but that alone hasn't justified the need to spend excess of $850 on a cell phone. For a business phone like the Bold, or the iphone, which users are required, or would like to run multiple functions at a time, I can understand how a 624 Mhz processor would be suitable. For a multimedia phone, Why? What's the need? Either i'm using the camera or making a call. I can NOT see myself doing any of the below things simultaneously, or even have the want to do 'em simultaneously:
- Take a photo
- Listen to music
- Surt the net
- make a call
- Install a new app.
- Delete an old app
- Look up a pdf file.

Like...wtf?? As for the rest of the "upgrades", well..if they matter so much, I guess each his own. To be honest, I don't know WHO Nokia's target market is, but a slightly upgraded N95 for $850 is not my cup of tea.]]>Aug 26th 2008 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
Better Camera - Jury's still out, and the new Samsungs and Sony's are bounds ahead
16gb integrated memory - Double capacity, nice featue, I'll give you that
DVB-H (Mobile TV) - No one uses it, certainly not in the US or the UK, and as far as I know nowhere in Europe is out of trial stages
Upgraded ram and Symbian 9.3 (No more MEMORY OUT : CLOSE APPLICATIONS) - Again, an actual improvement]
Bigger Display - It has the same 2.8" display, no?
Hardware acceleration for video codecs for H.264 and WMV - To quote a greta man, I can watch HD video in teeny weeny eyestrain-o-vision? No thanks
dual-band HSDPA - Usful for some, not many

The N96 is no where near phones like the Omnia and HTC Touch Pro (both of which are already availible) in terms of functionality and useability, not to mention build quality and style. Hopefully this thing will flop and Nokia might actually step their game up ]]>Aug 27th 2008 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Sep 4th 2008 12:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/ Nokia?]]>Aug 26th 2008 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
To put that to rest, the iphone is no better then a whole Nokia company...

Honestly, I can see why people are so amazed by the iPhone is that you really haven't taken a look at other companies. What the iPhone does now is what most phones are done with doing 2 years ago...but whatever.... back to topic


Ill be grabbing the N96 anyways...I liked my experiance with the N95, so if the N96 is just a 'refresh'. its a welcome one. Ive had the N95 for 2 years, so by tech standards its real old. But w/e.


You all forget, Nokia has to make phones for every type of consumer and niche (hence these 3 new ones) wheras someone like Apple doesn't. They are good with one phone to cover all types of consumers. Hold that in mind, and youll then realize why Nokia pumps out these many N series phones. Pretty sure they could make a uber N phone...but that wouldn't satisfy all consumers would it??]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
So here is a consumer at a phone shop: "Ok, great, fantastic, they all have these great specs with an extra tweak sprinkled on here and there (not that I really understand what all those specs mean)!!! And I have all these form factors and sizes and sometimes even colors to pick from, and to top it all off, they have them in various price points too!! WOAH! Isn't Nokia great?"]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/

/end]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/A digital camera: $150
A GPS: $100-200
A PMP: $100-150
An Alarm Clock: $5-30
A Watch: $1-howevermuchyouwanttopayforwatch
And a Phone.

Not a bad value. But, if it isn't much better than the N95, might as well get that one since it's price has fallen so much.
]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 6:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
You guys get the cool stuff first. ]]>Aug 26th 2008 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
Unfortunately, an unlocked phone here in the States has little value (unless you travel overseas often) as you can only take advantage of 3G data on AT&T. Since I'd be paying the same monthly rates regardless of device, subsidized pricing is actually a benefit that allows us to save a few hundred $.]]>Aug 26th 2008 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
Like, just the working, unlocked phone?]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 27th 2008 3:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
Problem is, I'm on T-mobile and there are no nokia 3g phones yet that work with T-mobile.

T-mobile sucks so hardcore.]]>Aug 26th 2008 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Winmo apps> Symbian apps > Iphone apps, get your facts straight.]]>Aug 26th 2008 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/]]>Aug 26th 2008 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 26th 2008 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/Aug 31st 2008 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
And could anybody name me a few other phones that have all these features for a better price? And no, this is not ironic... I did a little research the last few weeks because I need a new phone but so far this N85 really looks fantastic! Also, is it confirmed that the N85 has a xenon flash? ]]>Aug 26th 2008 10:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/26/nokia-n79-n85-and-n96-hands-on/
I think Allaboutsymbian.com reported that it has a dual LED flash.]]>Aug 26th 2008 11:10PM