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This price is still ASTRONOMICAL, and insulting at that.]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
XBOX
$100 for an XBOX WiFi Module, $30 add-on for Vibration, Monthly fees,
PS3: WiFi Included.

XBOX:No HDMI (most models), HDMI v1.0 only on the $479 Elite Model. (Basic PS3 costs about $399)
PS3: Includes HDMI v1.3 on all models, even the cheapest ones.

XBOX: HD-DVD drive (defunct) $200 on it's debut.
PS3: Built in HD Optical Media Player (Blu-Ray)

XBOX: Monthly Fees to play on line, plus your ISP's monthly bill.
PS3: Free Online Play, plus the cost of your ISP.

XBOX: No Motion Control (May be an additional cost at a later time)
PS3: Built in SIXAXIS motion control

XBOX: No reader for SD, CompatFlash, or MS flash media. ($30)
PS3: Built in multi-flash card reader for CF, SD, and MS.

XBOX: Wireless Controller: $30 extra
PS3: Wireless Controller included, complete with USB charging cable.

XBOX: Rechargeable batteries for Wireless controller, $30
PS3: Included in with the package.

XBOX: HDD 20GB, $100 or more. Upgrades require superhuman skills or paying outrageous prices for a proprietary drive. Warranty may be voided if you use a drive other than the one provided by microsoft. ALL Data stored using DRM. :(
PS3: 20, 40, 60, 80GB drive included. And upgrades use cheap standard laptop drives that can be changed by the user with no warranty voided. Most data is not held captive by DRM.

XBOX: Communicatins Headset, Proprietary XBOX headset must be used. Costs $50
PS3: Any Cell Phone Blutooth earpiece, USB headset, USB Microphone, and most USB sound cards will work. Including the ones you already own. Advantage- PS3. (My Sennheiser USB Headset works very well)

XBOX: Tons of Engineering Problems. Rushed to market, reliability was an after thought. 30% failure rate. Expensive aftermarket parts (lian li, water cooling, etc) to fix problems that shouldn't have been there in the first place.
PS3: Delayed to market, in order to iron out problems. Highly reliable, Less than 0.1% failure rate. It even works with out fail when wrapped in a large pile of towels or blankets. Well engineered.

And there is so much more good to say about the PS3, but I am running out of time. Just take my word for it, XBOX may look cheaper at first; but when you get down to the details, it will cost you 2x to 3x more than the most expensive PS3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2ImJ3_7r1I]]>Sep 13th 2008 12:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Stupid PS3 Fan. Xbox 360 owns PS3.]]>Sep 13th 2008 8:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Your forgetting the most important part

Xbox 360: Games, games, games
Xbox 360: Multiplatform games running better
Xbox 360: On MetaCritics.com(a review of average reviews from magazines/websites) xbox 360 has over 17 games rated 90% or higher.
Xbox 360's intro level cost if you don't want wifi like myself since non-wifi is better latency for gamers. You know those 'real' non 'wii-tastic' gamers: $279.99 including 20gb hd or $199.99 if you don't mind saying your games onto a memory card(few, far and inbetween).
Xbox 360: Larger selection of 720p hd movies than the PSN store at 3.00 for sd, 4.00 for hd.

PS3: .... 8 games over 90%. Yes, half. So not 'Games games games' but 'Games ga....'
PS3: Cheapest entry model $399.99 CAD where I live.
PS3: Blu-ray discs? $20-$40 dollars per movie. versus the price of dvds ranging from $8.00 to $13.00 for new release titles. Very new special two-disc collectors editions? still only $16.00-20.00. Blu-ray rentals? more expensive than sd rentals.
PS3: Less exclusives, losing exclusive, smallest install base.
PS3: Not lowering price till 2k9 Q2 according to Sony. No price cuts at all for another 8-9 months. Enjoy the $399.99 price tag this x-mas. I think the uninformed masses might look at the two systems side-by-side. See a similar catalog of games, see similar graphics, see the price tag of one is HALF the other and go for.....the double price one! (Good luck with that idea with our current economy:P).]]>Sep 25th 2008 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Of course, I'm not siding with Microsoft here. I hate propriety storage as much as the next guy, but you have to see it from the business side. On the other hand, I think the propriety USB is complete bullshit. Of course you can use a Tomato'd router to get around that, but it sure as hell isn't elegant. ]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
It isn't proprietary USB, it is a combined SATA Data and SATA Power cable to make the detachable design work.]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Anyway, I would classify HDD installation on the PS3 as straightforward but not simple. You must remove a hatch and pull quite firmly on a square handle to detach the old HDD from the PS3. Then you unscrew the HDD from the tray, screw the new HDD to the tray and then re-seat the tray firmly back in the console and replace the hatch. This isn't hard but it is a little intimidating. It is also possible to strip the screws if you are not careful which means you should be very careful and have some needlenose pliers ready in case you do it.

It is important to back up the drive first before doing anything which also necessitates having an external HDD as well. This is a pain to be honest and Sony should really release some network backup software for the PC so you can back up remotely. The backup also needs to ask the user what they want to backup since it takes a hideously long time to do.

In summary, the PS3 HDD replacement isn't as easy as the 360 but then again you can pick any size HDD and get it for below 1/2 the price of the equivalent 360 drive.]]>Sep 12th 2008 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
O well it was a while ago. Like to see things cheaper :)]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEZZkAAAVVpHxXqpYb.php

]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Sounds pretty good!

Plus, before anybody says "It's still a bad deal", this HDD also adds backwards compatibility, and the ability to store your music on your HDD.]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
But my PS3 hard drive can copy tons of movies/music/pictures from any external hard-drive. Oh did I mention you can also install Linux in it ?

Oh, wait, Samsung has released a 500GB 2.5'' SATA HD.]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Again, are you kidding me with that price?]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/And before you go "NOES OVERPICED" remember this.
There is no installation, there are no drivers, there are no cables.
You put it in and turn it on and it works. ]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
@striker, there's no 'finding a drive with the same specs'..... it's SATA, that's a standard. Any 2.5" standard height SATA drive will work. Hence my 160Gb PS3 upgrade which cost £43 (or, what, $90ish?) ]]>Sep 12th 2008 4:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/4 screws (2 if you're lazy), and 2 dummyproof cables? Wow, doesn't sound like you've really installed a hard drive before. Sounds like what you're talking about is rocket science!! It's not like there is any assembly required. AND, since when do you need to install DRIVERS for a hard drive? Come on .. Seriously]]>Sep 12th 2008 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Alternatively, find me a 2.5" drive that I can plug in to my computer/laptop and have it work. Without opening a case or anything. ]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
And if you mean the physical ability to plug a 2.5" into a laptop without opening the case... that is a hardware limitation of the laptop. Buy a new laptop with eSATA and you will get your plug and play functionality with 2.5" drives.]]>Sep 12th 2008 12:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822204075

There you go: less than half the price, an extra 40GB and you can plug it into the computer/laptop and have it work without opening the case or anything. ]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Besides, the 360's HDD isn't the primary storage device, that would be the onboard flash where the OS is stored, the storage that allows the arcade to work. The HDD is for secondary data storage. ]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/That's going to work in every single computer every made without needing to install any software? ]]>Sep 12th 2008 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
It will work in every computer that isn't more than about 9 years old. ]]>Sep 12th 2008 2:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 12:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Really pisses me of when people who get things dirt cheap complain...

]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
Your language and tone is not necessary, especially when your analysis is absolutely wrong!

In the U.K. you get free medical coverage. In the U.S., medical coverage for a family of two can easily cost $6,000 per year. So that cheap price you see is not so cheap when you see the big picture!]]>Sep 12th 2008 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/For a PS3, you can probably get a 500GB sata drive for $149. And you can still use the old one from PS3 as a portable drive (just buy a USB box for about $5). For Xbox360? $149 getting a ridiculous 120GB and the old drive could do nothing but rot.

]]>Sep 12th 2008 3:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
I suppose you are overlooking the lack of wifi, console failure rate as well as paid online, right?]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/
WiFi - wireless should NEVER be used for gaming.

Paid online - not a flaw at all- still better than PSN in terms of features and user friendliness.]]>Sep 12th 2008 1:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/microsoft-votes-yes-on-xbox-360-120gb-hard-drive-price-cut/Sep 12th 2008 2:25AM