http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/ Engadget Comments for Purported Intel Core i7 details leak out, 920, 940 and 965 models en route? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Nov 19th 2008 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
You can overclock processors perfectly well on air - the current C2D's are renowned for having good overclocks without resorting to "exotic" cooling like peltier/water blocks.

For most people, the regular 920 will be fine. In most situations, including gaming, your performance will be bottlenecked by the graphics card anyway. For those who really want the extra performance, most of them are pretty savvy enough to overclock rather than buy new. Of course there are consumers who'll just buy the $900 processor just because it's got the highest number.

All the comments fairly unfounded about "not being able to overclock". Contrary to popular belief, intel are pretty much ok with people overclocking their chips - i mean they certainly support people who push them to 5-6Ghz using things like LN2 - obviously you void your warranty, but if they really didn't want people to do it then they would have prevented it a long time ago.]]>Sep 17th 2008 6:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
http://techgage.com/news/more_details_on_overclocking_nehalem/
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-nehalem-overclock,5573.html
http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/05/editorial-why-nehalem-overclockers-wont.html]]>Sep 17th 2008 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
2.4Q6600 running at 3.2. And thats the shitty B3 stepping. The G0 gets even more then that.
And all on a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme that you can get for 40 bucks now.

And from initial reports, these are going to be excellent overclockers as well.]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Granted, we (still, sadly) don't all know that much about Nehalem, so all I (and many others) are saying today is mostly speculations, so we'll have to wait and see until we get retail samples to confirm what we need to know about the overclock-ability on this new platform.

October/November will be exciting for Intel fans, rest assured.]]>Sep 18th 2008 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Granted, we (still, sadly) don't all know that much about Nehalem, so all I (and many others) are saying today is mostly speculations, so we'll have to wait and see until we get retail samples to confirm what we need to know about the overclock-ability on this new platform.

October/November will be exciting for Intel fans, rest assured.]]>Sep 18th 2008 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
I'm very interested to see some actual benchmarks for Nehalem. I know it's supposed to be all that and a bag of chips (for lack of a better term) but I wouldn't be surprised if my 3.2ghz OC'd quad core chip can atleast equal a stock 2.6 chip (probably with a locked multiplier). We shall see.]]>Sep 18th 2008 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Also, I kinda like the logo. Definately better than the old one at least.]]>Sep 17th 2008 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
*this is gonna have me instantly low ranked but i can't think of a better comparison*

Its like Apple and Microsoft. Apple implement something then a few years later Microsoft do something similar.]]>Sep 17th 2008 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Because these Intels are faster than AMDs with the Core 2 Quad vs the Phenoms, and these i7s are faster than the Core 2 Quads. ]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Sure, Intel score higher in benchmarks, its a fact! But you pay one helluva premium for it :P The Phenom 9950 is one excellent CPU and Intel doesn't offer anything at the price point that competes in bang for buck IMO :)

Anyway, that's not the point here :)]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Oh and the Q6600 beats out the 9950 HANDILY esp. because you can overclock it loads more and it's only 10 bucks more.]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Since apple jumped from PowerPC to Intel (im sure its not just me on this) i have found stability and reliability to have degraded. Leopard on my powerbook is solid as a rock, but on my Alu iMac its been a complete bitch lol

Back to AMD/Intel - Every single AMD system i've used/owned has been solid and performed without a hitch, friends x2's, older 64's and Athlon XP's just never seem to give up :) Whereas the countless P4 boxes and even the newer Core 2's that have passed me seem great at doing one task, but as soon as a few app's are running they get all flaky.

I know that sounds like complete bull, but thats the experience i've had lol

Engadget, i can understand why you've added this Low Rank = Faded thing, but its really frustrating :)]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
- P4 was never a great cpu family, no one is contesting that, not even Intel.
- AMD makes great products, but plenty of people have also had their share of frustration with AMD. Frequently switching socket designs just shows how incompatible AMD cpus are with continuously evolving hardware, and forces AMD users to buy completely new hardware when they want to just upgrade one component. Not to mention tons of driver issues (although Intel suffers the same from time to time).
- Unless you know exactly what caused your problems (not "just because it was an Intel chip"), please don't mix hardware and software issues together. The overwhelming majority of users have had a great experience with Core2, and while they do periodically encounter stability problems, they're almost always addressed with driver or firmware (software) updates.

Personally, if anyone just "passed me" a computer, I would automatically assume that there must be some problem, regardless of what brand of hardware is inside.]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Well, in my case, ive had nothing but good experiences with my P4, C2D and C2Q, meanwhile my Athlon and Athlon X2 builds were absolute disasters.

What does the above tell you? Ones personal experience means fuck all.
If its enough for you to buy one brand over another, then so be it. Personally, i prefer to spend less money on an Intel chip and overclock the living hell out of it to get performance that no AMD processor can match, overclocked or not. And thats just a simple fact.

Until AMD has a cheap processor that can be scaled beyond that of highest end processors out there (that was once my Q6600), then ill stick with Intel.

And quite frankily, considering Apples track record for their recent PC's, i wouldnt lay the blame on Intel for the shit quality of your iMac. Thats Apples renouned "industrial design" at work right there.

]]>Sep 17th 2008 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 6:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
The 'read' link says it's socket LGA1366. I assume it's a new socket? Any manufacturers announced i7-compatible boards, preferably with feature/price lists?

How do these compare to the Core 2 Quads? I assume we'll find out when they're released?]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Intel has announced that it's upcoming "X58" chipset will be compatable with Nehelem, but I haven't seen a real board yet, nor any announcements from Nvidia on their upcoming MB/chipsets.]]>Sep 18th 2008 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
But what can happen is that the process gets so good that all the chips end up being the same quality as the "pick of the litter" chips. They just purposely limit the speed of those top chips and sell them at the mainstream level/price. What you get is a processor that could have hit the "extreme" speeds anyways, but is clocked lower, thus you get one hell of an overclockable chip.

Take for example the Q6600 (i speak from experience). Initial versions could go from 2.4 to 3.0 - 3.2 without issue. Anything above is a stretch. The new stepping of that core could be taken right to 3.4 - 3.6 and beyond, and this is on a good air cooler. Meanwhile, 3.0 QX6850 extreme processors, on air, have trouble hitting 3.8. Give it water, and its awesome, but the same goes with the Q. The core is already at its limit. The extreme just lets you stretch the core more then stretching the north bridge.

]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 7:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
And I'm not really sure what Intel is doing. It looks like they're phasing out the QPI and bringing back the FSB in future iterations of the mid-range Core i7's. And they're also shrinking the socket size for future models. So all these 1366 pin socks will not be backwards or forwards compatible.

I'm probably just going to build a Core 2 Quad system and wait for 32nm Core i7's in 2010.]]>Sep 17th 2008 7:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Low ranking grinds my gears anyway, understandable for spam and trolling not really for the majority who disagree with a comment left by the view of a minority. That defeats the point of leaving their views as no ones gonna give them any attention.

Both have there issues, of course, AMD's Athlon XP's were damn hot, Intel Net Burst architecture was crap etc. Not closed minded as to ignore that fact.]]>Sep 17th 2008 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
The dual-cores better be 65 watts!]]>Sep 17th 2008 10:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 17th 2008 10:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Can't slot an i7 into thin air.]]>Sep 17th 2008 10:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 18th 2008 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
I saw here http://www.core-i7.com/ that this processor will be available at end october 2008. Is it true?]]>Sep 18th 2008 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/Sep 19th 2008 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
Many motherboards have been announced which support the X58 chipset with an LGA 1336, have a Google around for Gigabyte, MSI, DFI or Asus X58 boards.

Core i7s will have much higher TDPs than the C2Qs, because of the integrated memory controllers, but with this integration, we see massive increases in memory bandwidth and drastic reductions in latency. Also, Hyper Threading has been brought back, meaning that 2 threads can be run on each core, which will also contribute to this increase in heat dissipation.

Overclocking should be fairly easy with the Core i7 series... QPI can be overclocked to speeds in excess of 200MHz without ill effects, even though Intel doesn't recommend it (what would they know about their own product?? lol)... the only problem is RAM compatibility... Intel engineers have fried DDR3 DIMMs and damaged CPUs in several tests in which they increased the DRAM voltage beyond 1.65V in order to get tighter timings... this is a big problem, as most performance DDR3 RAM is currently specified for 1.7-1.9V (even though JEDEC standard is 1.5V)... Kingston, Mushkin, OCZ, Corsair (and possibly a few others) have or are currently retooling their performance DDR3 RAM to operate at these lower voltages (as far as I know, Kingston and Mushkin have finished this, but most others are still working on it).

In short, the new Nehalem architecture is an incredible leap forward for Intel and will greatly increase memory performance, but real world computing tasks will only be expediated due to the lower inter-core latency offered by QPI because the Nehalem line still uses the Intel64 set of instructions (Intel's transitional x86-x64 instruction set), and when it comes to gaming, Core i7 actually loses performance on some games, and will only run parallel to current CPUs of equal specs in others... so, for now, don't waste your money, wait until the Core i7 series comes out and reap the rewards of falling Core 2 Quad prices!]]>Oct 21st 2008 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/purported-intel-core-i7-details-leak-out-920-940-and-965-model/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-multigpu-sli-crossfire-game-performance-review/]]>Nov 6th 2008 12:30PM