http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
1. Facebook
2. Bomberman (Got over real quick; haven't played since, I think)
3. Trism
4. MobileFinder
5. Wikipanion
6. IM+



Apps I've got off of Cydia that I use frequently:

1. Cycorder
2. Snapture
3. Finder (newly released, but gotta have it)
4. Winterboard
5. Searcher
6. BiteSMS
7. Categories
8. Terminal

See the type of applications in both categories. I don't wanna say anything else.



]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
9. QuickGold. It's a MUST-HAVE.]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Here's to saving the best for last, then?]]>Sep 25th 2008 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Yeah, all my useful apps are from Cydia too, the app store is a bunch of lame apps that might be fun but they're not terribly useful.
-Taylor]]>Sep 25th 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/


And I think you're not looking at Apple's competition very well; somehow much freer application availability is working for them.

As for what other platforms approach the ubiquity of the iPhone: S60 would be a good start. Even Windows Mobile (counting all incarnations) has more devices. And both of them have readily available SDKs and don't have a single choke point that even the most trivial app must pass. (S60 does require approval of the developer for apps requesting certain capabilities, but no app-by-app discretion even for these.)]]>Sep 26th 2008 7:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Poor guy, let's not...

Mock him? Duuude.

Go ahead. Low rate this one, it went to hell faster than I could control.]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
I have bought a LOT of Apple products and I have great respect for the company and so far the quality of service, but this is outrageous. Fuck you, Apple, sort it out.

Great article, you win 10 internets.]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/the future. Or maybe not... This whole thing is making it look kind
of stupid.

Fuck you Apple.]]>Sep 25th 2008 8:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
The irony in all of this is that the primary issue of contention isn't related to the device itself, or the Obj-C based platform, or the SDK (or even the annoying Mac fanboys), but Apple itself! What they need to do is get the hell out of the way and let the developer community make it happen! Their nonsensical behavior of locking down the SDK material and stifling cooperation and collaboration between developers with non-disclosure agreements is vastly counterproductive --- that is --- if their goal is indeed to ensure the future success of the platform! I don't knows what is really going on, but from my (admittedly limited) perspective, I'm going to speculate that Apple's patent attorneys and/or other legal representatives have gone overboard perhaps on trying to protect (at least what they think is) patentable intellectual property contained within the SDK. I may be completely wrong, but I can't think of any other reasonable alternative.

Steve Jobs and his top executives obviously have to understand the importance of the developer community having open access to knowledge about the platform and being able to discuss, collaborate on and assist each other with application development, debugging, troubleshooting, etc. So there has got to be some legitimate purpose to the (hopefully temporary) draconian use of the developer NDA to keep information from being shared publicly about the SDK.

And I've been saying this all along for years now -- that Apple and S. Jobs has got to realize the importance of transparency and proper communication with it's partners, developers, and users. I'm not suggesting that they need to share future product details, but they definitely need to communicate their position when certain problems arise and how they intend to fix them. This would go a long way to preventing the kind of lingering bad press and customer frustration that we've seen over the past few years. When issues come up, we usually receive nothing but silence from Apple headquarters, sometimes followed much later by a succinct "open letter" from Mr. Jobs, and many times nothing at all. Even a simple, reassuring "we are working on the problem" or "we haven't come to a conclusion on the issue" would be much more desirable than the present situation.

Similarly, at the moment, developers just want to know when they are going to be able to discuss problems with each other and seek help from online and offline resources. Especially in software development, people are always encountering the same issues and problems and will end up perpetually re-inventing the wheel if they are unable to communicate amongst themselves. In addition, the "app store" and the health and robustness of the platform suffer from the inability of new developers to seek out guidance and assistance getting started with the platform. Online forums can't be used, help groups can't be started, developers can't collaborate with each other, books and guides by experts cannot be published, etc. These types resources are how many software engineers and developers got started in the first place, and especially when attempting to move to a new platform and programming language. Everyone cannot just enroll into the computer science department at Stanford to receive officially sanctioned assistance with iPhone development or get a new job at an existing Mac development house with Obj-C/Cocoa/iPhone developemtn experts.

Apple needs to fix this mess and fix it now!]]>Sep 25th 2008 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Apple's iPhone platform is precedent-setting and unique in the field of computing.

While we are tempted to treat it like a microPC or mini laptop platform, it is in fact a device in a field heretofore dominated by embedded devices.

With the iPhone, Apple must provide a Quality of Service (QoS) above and beyond that of a PC or similar device.

On a desktop PC, it makes no difference if you run a program that slows down your system or crashes your OS.

On a phone, that's disastrous. A phone is almost like a real-time device, and the core feauture-set must be protected from the p2p flavour of the month and unneccesary podcast app or what have you. It's bad enough that people are using this thing as a music player, movie player, camera, web browser, mirror, to-do-list tracker, calendar, mame cabinet, telnet client, pocket protector, coffee cup warmer, cellular modem .. you get the idea.

If you want to sail with the big pirates in the ocean of independent software choices, you're going to have to leave the play pen and take responsibility for your actions. Jailbreaking your iPhone is one clear way of doing that, and it's the perfect balance between voiding your warranty and allowing you free reign over your hardware. Your system crashes because you effed it up? It's your fault bigboy. You broke it, you can fix it.

For every forum like engadget's complaining about obstinance on Apple's part, there would be a hundred more starbucks-swigging urban techno-trolls whining that their iPhone stopped working after they installed limewire and tried to download Led zeppelin's entire discography or every episode of the sopranos.

How many other platforms even come this close to the ubiquity of the iPhone? Does anyone complain that there is no SDK for devices X,Y and Z? To be honest I have no idea. I don't even own a cell phone. If I did, I'd buy an iPod touch and jailbreak it to use wifi and voip.

Steve knows exactly what he's doing and I hope he does read this thread. at least he'll know enough to contact me and send me a free ipod as a thanks. (or sue me)

]]>Sep 26th 2008 12:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Apple's iPhone platform is precedent-setting and unique in the field of computing.

While we are tempted to treat it like a microPC or mini laptop platform, it is in fact a device in a field heretofore dominated by embedded devices.

With the iPhone, Apple must provide a Quality of Service (QoS) above and beyond that of a PC or similar device.

On a desktop PC, it makes no difference if you run a program that slows down your system or crashes your OS.

On a phone, that's disastrous. A phone is almost like a real-time device, and the core feauture-set must be protected from the p2p flavour of the month and unneccesary podcast app or what have you. It's bad enough that people are using this thing as a music player, movie player, camera, web browser, mirror, to-do-list tracker, calendar, mame cabinet, telnet client, pocket protector, coffee cup warmer, cellular modem .. you get the idea.

If you want to sail with the big pirates in the ocean of independent software choices, you're going to have to leave the play pen and take responsibility for your actions. Jailbreaking your iPhone is one clear way of doing that, and it's the perfect balance between voiding your warranty and allowing you free reign over your hardware. Your system crashes because you effed it up? It's your fault bigboy. You broke it, you can fix it.

For every forum like engadget's complaining about obstinance on Apple's part, there would be a hundred more starbucks-swigging urban techno-trolls whining that their iPhone stopped working after they installed limewire and tried to download Led zeppelin's entire discography or every episode of the sopranos.

How many other platforms even come this close to the ubiquity of the iPhone? Does anyone complain that there is no SDK for devices X,Y and Z? To be honest I have no idea. I don't even own a cell phone. If I did, I'd buy an iPod touch and jailbreak it to use wifi and voip.

Steve knows exactly what he's doing and I hope he does read this thread. at least he'll know enough to contact me and send me a free ipod as a thanks. (or sue me)

]]>Sep 26th 2008 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/but I swear it was a browser glitch.]]>Sep 26th 2008 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
When the PalmOS came out it did have problems sandboxing 3rd party apps. WinMo and Symbian appeared to have learned from this and have avoided many if not all of the issues.

I have used iPhone, WinMo, and PalmOS devices. Even with some pretty intensive apps installed the WinMo 6 device has been the most stable. An iPhone app crashed daily, the Palm OS itself crashed weekly. My trusty WinMo 6 phone has an app crash maybe once a month.

So if other mobile OS platforms can fully support 3rd party apps why is Apple so concerned about bad apps breaking the iPhone? Perhaps because the iPhone OS is not that robust?

Lets be honest here; the iPhone brought a cool aesthetic design, multi-touch screen, and a very cool browser experience. But that's it. Everything else already existed in the marketplace.

Also, there was a comment here along the lines of "Apple let the developers talk to each other." There are numerous Android blogs, user groups, and coding support sites already up and running. A quick search for iPhone development support only returned hits to Apple.com itself. I found several Cocoa development sites, but none relating specifically to the iPhone.

Surely my search results merely failed to locate iPhone dev resource sites, and that they do exist. If not what is Apple thinking?

]]>Sep 26th 2008 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/ You write a long post about the smartphone landscape, making such sweeping claims as the iPhone being "precedent setting and unique in the field" and at the end you disclose you don't even own a cell phone? WTF man?
I'd like to know what platform you have first hand experience with a phone crashing due to apps, or being unable to answer a phone call- besides the iPhone? You've been kneeling at the altar of Apple too long, buddy. Cell phones and SmartPhones as a class are pretty reliable. I do own a SmartPhone and do it use it everyday and have never lost phone functionality, never had a virus, never had a dodgy app tank my phone.
Steve Jobs' claims of not allowing native apps on the iPhone at first because of security and reliability concerns seems pretty dodgy. They initially launched a product with previous generation hardware and still had issues, then followed it up with an even buggier untried chipset. If Apple opens up the App Store at least they could blame devs for the platform's issues.
All this FUD about independantly dev'd apps creating a breeding ground for abuse and generally destroying the basic functions of the phone is crap. If you look at the much-maligned WinMo platform, they don't have these issues. I'm not aware of any platform that has these issues. If you sell a decent platform that is set-up for a good experience at retail purchase, users will be able to judge for themselves when performance has become un-acceptable because of installed apps.
Don't make excuses for Apple in that they want to keep their device pristine and free from crippling issues- they've disproved that themselves.]]>Sep 26th 2008 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Thanks for the support. Apple just couldn't see the humor. Obscene, maybe they should think about how obscene some of the song lyrics are on iTunes. Same thing goes for some of the movies. I think the user should have the choice to buy what they want and install it on their phone. I'm considering discontinuing development for the iPhone, and taking a long hard look at Android.]]>Sep 25th 2008 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBoAY7cq3QE&feature=email]]>Sep 30th 2008 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Apple wont admit that there are better products out there than its own designed apps, dont cross apple and your apps get approved]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
If it was Google that made the app, they would have known before submitting that it wouldn't be let in (Google and Apple are tight, remember?)...]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Well, at least the comment system looks cooler now.]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
If it was Google that made the app, they would have known before submitting that it wouldn't be let in (Google and Apple are tight, remember?)...]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
A bunch of fanboys downloading calculator and myspace apps won't hurt Nokia in any way.]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
No one cares about nokia's smartphone...even if they realize that nokia *makes* a smartphone.

The smartphone market is divided between Windows Mobile, Blackberry, Palm and iPhone. Nokia cant compete.

When you cant compete, you should not bother playing the game. ]]>Sep 25th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
Now go do what u teenagers do...]]>Sep 25th 2008 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
That was quite possible the most stupid thing I've ever read. Thank you for that life enriching moment.

Now fuck off and die.]]>Sep 25th 2008 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Which is, among other reasons, why all Jailbreak apps are free....]]>Sep 25th 2008 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/and we play nice agreement". But, do something wrong or piss us off
and we'll nuke you. With all the sue happy sobs running around how
can you blame them for covering themselves.

They are not out to screw anyone, they just want protection from those
that would screw them or harm their users.
]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
That really really sums it all up, apple needs to wake up.]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/that has got to become an old trick first, then they can simply "awake" and it'll be soo revolutionary...]]>Sep 25th 2008 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 26th 2008 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
The iPhone / iPod Touch has beefier hardware than most WM phones. There are no excuses just incompetence and ignorance.]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
I do like the iPhone in terms of hardware, I just hate the OS and the people that make it. :-)]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
The only app I have that I would authorize at this point is Pandora, but some of the location-aware social networks like Loopt would benefit greatly from having this feature.]]>Sep 25th 2008 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/for distro on the app store.]]>Sep 25th 2008 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/Sep 25th 2008 2:36PM