http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/My Vista laptop takes 20 seconds to the User screen + 15 seconds to be usable after login.
My Dell desktop on XP takes about the same time as the Vista computer.


Unless your talking about high speed SSD, we are gonna be waiting for a long time for a while. It will be a while before we get to push button-ON systems like the NES or the ATARI.]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
With Vista (SP1, which is supposed to boot faster than without), after service tweaks, same PC...it takes close to 45 seconds.

IMHO, they should derive this off of XP.]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
I know on my PC, I see the video card BIOS first, then my Motherboard load screen (ASUS motherboards use images when loading, similar to newer motherboards on the market) and then a detailed list of all my allocated IRQ's for all the cards, drives, etc. in the system.

Then it goes to the XP Boot screen. If I did it from the XP boot screen I would say 20-25 seconds at most. But you add in the all the stuff before that, and you could easily get to 35 sec. My point though is that for a lot of people, getting past these BIOS things and IRQ summaries is still going to take about 8-10 seconds depending on your build.

I see a Mac fan has already chimed in. Another point I wanted to make is how bloated have you allowed your OS to become? In Windows this is quite easy, with a number of programs setting up system tray programs, you have to be careful about what you install, load too much crap and you'll have slow start ups. If you are smart, you can keep your OS lean and fast with weekly defrags and generally being aware of what you're installing.

Then you have to get into how much RAM does someone have, what speed is it operating at? These types of things also have an impact on start up times.]]>Oct 15th 2008 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
My point is this, I would love to have the option of having an "instant on" "Windows" OS, but it's a stretch to call 8 seconds instant. I can keep my computers in standby mode and resume at full-functionality in less time than their instant solution. I understand the power saving implications of all this, but I'm generally going to do what's most convenient, and leaving my computer in standby is just that. Now if Microsoft can whittle down those precious seconds to a more reasonable number like 3-4, then I'm sold. ]]>Oct 15th 2008 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/dubb

Mine take 8 seconds from pressing power on to windows desktop screen
and 7 for the eeepc, as i tweaked the both xp's on them to run faster by removing many un needed windows xp system files.]]>Oct 15th 2008 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
2 seconds is all right if you are doing Stand By -> Power On. But, I bet, if you are starting from Hibernate -> Power On it will definitely take more than 8 seconds. And it doesn't depend on what's installed on your machine but number of windows that you have open.
Personally, I like to power down my laptop while traveling not just to conserve power, but also the protect the hard drive since powering down is the sure shot way of putting the HD Head in park position.
So, instant on would be a nice thing, if I could just power up to check couple of emails, docs and calender. And I am not sure what apps will be loaded in 8 seconds. Maybe it can be user customized to load just one or two app and it may turn on in 3 - 4 secs.

BTW, I am auditioning for the Blue Man Group. Any tips?]]>Oct 15th 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Well, on windows you have hibernation available only if *all* drivers can handle hibernation. Specifically for HDD it means that drivers handle shut down and hibernation almost the same (in terms of safety at least). And I think the only risk of hibernation - is lost of current data in RAM (if wake up can't proceed for some reason). ]]>Oct 15th 2008 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
1. By calling it 'Windows 7' they're deliberately distancing themselves from Vista. I believe this is because they realise that the release was a flop (release - the act of releasing, not the version) - and admission is the first step to reform.

2. Windows 7 has workspaces (multiple desktops). This suggests that they're actually focusing on productivity, which is a good thing.

I'm hoping I can leapfrog Vista all together.]]>Oct 15th 2008 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
BTW, if PC is turned off (no power), then how can you remotely switch it on and access it....?!?!?]]>Oct 15th 2008 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/13/windows-7-to-be-officially-named-windows-7/

(or do you mean 'cloud' as in 'cloud computing'?)

Second, Wake on Lan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN]]>Oct 15th 2008 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
Windows has had multiple desktops for a while, they just weren't "built-in" per-se. They were included with Windows PowerToys, and I'm sure they('ll) have some for Vista as well:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx ]]>Oct 17th 2008 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
]]>Oct 15th 2008 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/When will we have computers that are actually fast? What I mean is as hardware speeds up, software becomes more demanding so it's always the same crap. So when will be able to start a computer in 1 second, and do a hundred things at once without any slowdown? It seems like never. I'm sick of computers crashing because I clicked at a wrong time and the whole damn computer goes crazy.
I want speed...I want reliability.]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
Also as far as reliability goes: garbage in, garbage out]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
Not strictly true. You can verify data to make sure it's not garbage at both sides of the process.

If the verification's garbage, the system chants "epic fail" at an annoyingly loud volume.]]>Oct 15th 2008 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
I think that might be even worse.]]>Oct 16th 2008 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
Definitely good to hear.

I am personally also looking forward to Windows 7 too.
]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/
Instead of creating a dummed-down experience for marketing bullet-points, why doesn't Microsoft try just speeding up the Vista boot process?

This is what I don't like about Microsoft. Now they're under Steve Ballmer (the sales guy), product features aren't coming from engineers, they're coming from sales people. They'll do things like this so they can boast "boots instantly!" on a star-shaped sticker, rather than making real technological progress (like sorting out the clusterf**k that is Windows x64).]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/at home, instant-on browser (Firefox, not MSIE), music (iTunes)
Bring it on. Well overdue.
Presumably this will feature in Windows 7.
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Didn't think so.]]>Oct 15th 2008 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/07/eee-pc-modded-by-intel-engineers-to-boot-in-five-seconds/]]>Oct 15th 2008 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/microsoft-survey-hints-at-instant-on-os-concept/Oct 15th 2008 8:42AM