http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/i would start saving up for this]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/WANT!!
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Obama is going to make it so that GM, Ford and all those guys product 100% electric cars within months.

Tata Motors, French and Italian car manufacturers and others should be able to make those cars starting at $5000 each.

Also, they should include 5-minute quick high voltage recharge technology so that once there are recharge stations spread around the world using this same quick high voltage recharge technology, people can have an Internet connected GPS system in the car showing them the closest quick recharging station.

Of course the electric energy can come mostly from Wind and Solar within the next 4 years.]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
I also love how most people buy into Obama's BS on car makers. Lets help out American manufacturers (i.e. his union $$ he gets). When in reality American companies put the jobs overseas and the foreign companies he bitches about make a superior product HERE with AMERICAN parts and labor. ]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
anyways, finally an attractive electric car not made by a shady company.]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
There is absolutely no time required to know where those solar panels and where those wind mills need to be setup, we know exactly where it makes most sense to set them up. And also to retool the electricity grid network to make it more usable for a solar and wind energy system.

$5000 per car is not some invented number, it is actual fact of what it costs to manufacture a car. The electric car engine is NO WAY more complicated or more expensive then the old fashioned gas powered car. The only reason current electric cars are expensive is cause they are not mass manufactured. BMW is only hand making 100 here and Tesla a couple hundred there.

The Lithium Ion battery might cost about $3000 on top of the cost of the car, but that battery can be leased out by a new Electric Car battery industry that also makes sure to manufacture the batteries in the most environmentally friendly ways to recycles them as much as possible.

It is also a proven fact that everything can change very quickly, it is only the question of political will. To take away the trillion dollar revenue from OIL industry and give it instead to a trillion dollar new solar, wind and electric car industry. It only takes a few handshakes and a signature to change things around.]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 7:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
Farmers are making more money setting up wind mills in their fields and selling the generated energy at market value for electricity then growing food on their fields.

Solar panels are exactly the same thing. The cost per kWh generated using Solar panels is paid for within 5 years, that is at the CURRENT solar panel manufacturing prices. Some silicon valley companies sponsored by Google and others even have cheaper solar panel technologies that can pay for themselves in less then that amount of time.

So simply from a totally basic cost perspective, it simply does NOT make sense not to build and setup as many wind mills and solar panels as possible.

The ONLY reason we are not doing it yet is cause there are private energy MONOPOLIES that control energy today, they have their own last century sources of energy which they have complete control over. And by having that control on ressources, they can control the prices, control revenue and control profits. So the only reason we are not powered by Solar and Wind yet is cause unlimied free and clean p2p energy economy would totally remove those corporations complete control on energy sources.]]>Oct 18th 2008 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
On the legal front, governments can, and should, enforce production of any goods to a standard that's cleaner for the environment. But they shouldn't force businesses to produce certain goods, it'll be a big mess.]]>Oct 18th 2008 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
EV1 was GM doing tests preparing for that law getting into effect in California. Cause noone would have been allowed to sell cars in California without providing that set percentage of clean cars.

Same thing is going to happen and will become national law under Obama, look forward to it. These are the percentages of 100% electric cars that any car manufacturer will have to produce to get allowed to sell any car within the US or EU, otherwise car manufacturers that don't comply will be fined in extra taxes, giving a huge advantage to car manufacturers that comply and do provide the electric cars. In return, the state will provide recharge stations everywhere. On top of tax breaks on the actual electric cars and for the owners of electric cars.

Following are percentage of Electric, Hydrogen or Clean Ethanol cars that will have to be provided under Obama's clean energy law propositions:

2009: 1%
2010: 10%
2011: 30%
2012: 50%]]>Oct 18th 2008 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
stupid people think Obama is going to rain money down on them if elected president.]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
And this is a simple thing? I recently went to a lecture here in Los Angeles where the environmentalist was decrying the fact that we don't have solar panels on top of a lot of LA roofs and pumping energy back into the grid since we've had almost nothing but cloudless days since summer. Well guess what? It's not that easy - you have to retool the ENTIRE grid from the street level to the fundamental backbone level in order for the grid to be able to handle these micro-insertions of electricity. On a national scale you're talking about getting electric companies to basically overhaul their systems that have worked for years and years, the only reason being (from a business perspective for them), is that they will end up paying their customers rather than their customers paying them. And if they wanted to resell some of that solar energy, you can't just say "here, come take some" to a part of the grid halfway across the nation, you have to transport it there which has it's own problems due to inefficiencies - basic equation is just Ohm's law, Voltage = current times resistance and just trying to get everything pumped across the country isn't that simple.

What you're talking about is really just nationalizing the power companies - what's next? I'm not saying that solar and wind are bad things I'm just saying that it's impractical until we improve infrastructure on a national level - not just power either, but (in general) also Internet backbones, highway management (we STILL haven't fixed 2-hour long commutes?) - anyone who lives in Southern California knows that traffic is a PITA, the obvious fix is just to build more lanes above/under the existing highway as express lanes except for a) environmental impact studies b) other red tape and most importantly c) the ridiculous amount of money it would take for such a thing. But this is important, it much improves things in the long run before everything shuts down - using the highway example, if there is an accident then the express lanes above and below can continue running easily whereas today people wait on the highway for hours and hours while they're bottlenecked.
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It'd be much cheaper then anything else.

Retooling the grid to support solar and wind is not very hard. Google has investments in that. Basically you just upgrade it to work like an Internet network, and you store huge amounts of energy generated overnight by wind or during the day by solar in those Electric Car batteries and Electric car high voltage recharge station batteries. You can then, on-demand take also that energy from the parked cars.

It's not very expensive at all. And yes, I think the energy companies should be nationalized, just as banks should be. Energy is for the people, it's not for corporations. Especially when the energy is made from natural resources or when it pollutes the natural resources.]]>Oct 19th 2008 6:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
I'm sorry, but you're out of your focking head. Do you know what that kind of labor costs in the US? I'm not saying I don't think it would ever be done, but no government in the United States should ever be responsible for that kind of project these days. Low ball contracts and shoddy craftsmanship run amok in this country. Per example, residential Boston will be the last place in the country to get Fiber optic of any kind because of the cost to replace the existing infrastructure.

And here is the other thing that I think you're failing to put into perspective. Implementing an across the board installation of current wind and solar technologies precludes alot of advances in technology from ever seeing the light of day since there isnt a demand. If it you were to stage it out over 15-20 years, it would allow you to replace the oldest technologies with the newest. Doing it all at once is just ill conceived and impractical. The unfortunate thing about humanity is that few people think beyond their own lifetime.]]>Oct 19th 2008 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
That "personal mass transit" shit may work in Denmark or wherever you are from, but there is no way in hell a system like that would ever serve a large enough part of the US to justify the cost of building. The only cities that use mass transit big time in the US, imo, are the big eastern seabord cities and the big west coast cities. Flyover country has little use for mass transit in any form just because of the huge commutes between places. For example, no one actually lives in Dallas (im sure some do lol). Every morning, thousands drive in from one of dozens of suburbs to come to work. While mass transit in Dallas is starting to get slightly more popular, mainly because of fuel costs, it just doesn't make sense to the people who are not on the rail line or bus route.

And no it will not be cheap. Not everything you propose is cheap. In fact most of it is way more expensive until technology drives the cost of production down. ]]>Oct 19th 2008 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
Just read up on Personal rapid Transit systems, they cost $10 million per mile to make that includes everything. It's about 40 times cheaper then rail and 100 times cheaper then subway.

The main reason people use cars is cause they have a specific place they want to go to and come from. That's why you would have Personal Rapid Transit systems in cities and in densely populated suburbs. between those are a rail line. You can also just drive your car only to the train station. That train which takes you to the Personal Rapid Transit which takes you exactly to that block you need to be at in Dallas.]]>Oct 19th 2008 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 19th 2008 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
Wow, these Obama nuts are even more beholden to unicorns and pixie dust than I thought.

Electric cars within months? Broad-based wind and solar within 4 years?

Naivete You Can Believe In! (TM)

P.S. why don't we just power our cars with rainbows and happy thoughts? Screw solar and wind. That's old school.]]>Oct 19th 2008 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
I think it's road dirt and tire bits on those snow banks. Things that won't go away with electric cars.]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 11:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/HC+CO+Soot+NOx = internal combustion engine emissions]]>Oct 19th 2008 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
...I love Scrubs...]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
How old are you? Holy hell, get some perspective. We get at most, as of 2008, 1% of our energy from wind. Wind is not subsidised, wind costs $3-5 more per kilowatt hour. Do you realize that government is a lot more than handshakes and a signature? Do you understand how massive the oil lobby is? Do you understand that you cannot PROVE that "EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE QUICKLY?" that is just such an absurd statement I am still laughing. Europe has been all over wind since the 1970s and it still provides under 25% of their energy (either Germany, Netherlands, or somewhere else idk)

Could you point me to a link with a $5000 electric car? The tata you mention is a shitty ass combustion engine car.

"There is absolutely no time required to know where those solar panels and where those wind mills need to be setup, we know exactly where it makes most sense to set them up. And also to retool the electricity grid network to make it more usable for a solar and wind energy system."

Of fucking course there has to be research done. You don't just say, hey its windy here lets build a multi billion dollar wind farm. You have to jump through all kinds of enviromental hoops and impact studies. You are looking at a 2+ year window BEFORE you put a single turbine online.]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 18th 2008 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
There is absolutely no research needed to start installing Wind and Solar in the USA. The American Universities all have already full research done and they know EXACTLY where to put the wind mills and solar panels right away. And the scientists and engineers know also exactly how to change the electrical grid to optimize the use of such Solar and Wind energy sources.

FACT is solar and wind energy is TOTALLY 100% free after only as little as 5 years after installation. That is counting the actual value of the energy they provide based on the current unsubsidized energy costs. FACT is maintenance costs using modern solar and wind technologies are minimal and have no significant effect on long term solar and wind costs.

FACT is from a purely economical perspective, not building as much Solar and Wind energy today simply does not make any sense. Of course that is unless you are working for the current OIL, GAS and Coal industry, then for sure, for your revenues and profits, moving over to Solar and Wind simply doesn't make any sense. Since Solar and Wind is not going to be controlled by any one corporation, but instead installed and controlled by thousands of companies, built and setup by thousands of local governments and counties, since the long term profits from Solar and Wind are not going into one corporations pockets, but instead will be shared by the whole population.

Basically it means that within 10 years, 100% of energy can be not only clean, it can be totally free and basically unlimited.]]>Oct 18th 2008 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 19th 2008 1:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/Oct 19th 2008 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/It can only get works with the addition of exclamation marks.]]>Oct 19th 2008 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
"Cost per unit of energy produced was estimated in 2006 to be comparable to the cost of new generating capacity in the United States for coal and natural gas: wind cost was estimated at $55.80 per MWh, coal at $53.10/MWh and natural gas at $52.50."-Wikipedia (lol)

I'm all for more wind (Im from TX btw) but this Charbax or whatever guy has no idea what he is talking about...]]>Oct 19th 2008 3:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
Basically wind power after the initial investment for the hardware, is basically free and unlimited.

After those 5 years, you might once every 20 years have to do some slight maintenance, but that is in no way going to cost anything significant.

Solar and Wind is not only clean, it's basically free natural and unlimited energy.]]>Oct 19th 2008 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
Why the effing hell has it taken them so effing long to create an electric car you wouldn't be embarassed to drive in? ]]>Oct 18th 2008 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/18/mini-e-finally-official-500-available-soon-for-us-test-drivers/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/26/california-man-builds-his-own-solar-electric-vehicle-good-looks/

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LOL :P]]>Oct 18th 2008 7:55PM