http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/ Engadget Comments for Apple and Psystar to settle things with alternative dispute resolution, not tridents and hatchets http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
It'd be even more interesting if they actually are able to sell their machines as OSX machines.

AKBlade13]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
also it would be cool if they won, I'd like to be able to use OS X without paying the "Apple tax"]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/No.

As a Windows/Linux based PC builder - perhaps.]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
Nobody stopping you, go buy a Leopard disk and install away! I've done it
and it works fine.

Providing you pay for their OS I don't think Apple will come kicking in your door.
Now selling it on a new PC is a different story.



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IANAL, but it seems to me that this might be an indication that Psystar has a leg to stand on. Sure, lawyering up is expensive, but bigger companies like Apple are literally always in some kind of legal battle -- it would hurt Psystar's pocketbook a lot more than Apple's. It seems like if Apple had a strong case they'd want to make it public, and they'd want to have that legal precedent next time someone tried to do the same thing as Psystar.

But maybe precedent isn't really important in contract matters? I don't know.]]>Oct 19th 2008 10:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
Best case legal win, which won't happen because they are out of court, Apple is forced to sell a generic OSX which will be installable on any computer.

The closest precedent was the EU finding WMP a monopolized program by being bundled with Windows. I know it won't work as the analogy is pretty dissimilar.

There really isn't any big loss for Psystar, they did everything legit as by no fault of their own, they did break the EULA for installing it on non Apple hardware. I think they were just trying to prove a point and trying to get some fame for it. Being a county above Miami/Dade, where they were located, we did see it on the news a few times on local stations. But I think if Apple can have XP run on their computers, why can't it be the other way around?]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Why isn't the EU cracking down on Apple, and how iTunes and Safari come bundled with it just like IE and WMP?]]>Oct 23rd 2008 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/

Nothing you said made any sense. ]]>Oct 19th 2008 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
If that were true, then this may have actually been a pretty tough battle for Apple.

Also, expect Apple's EULA to get even stricter because of this.]]>Oct 19th 2008 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
Because Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and they were using their monopoly to embrace and extinguish new markets, like the browser market. Nobody in their right mind thought IE was better than Netscape at first.

This doesn't apply to Apple because they have no such monopoly in any market. You can hate them for their business practices, but you can also buy from the competition.]]>Oct 19th 2008 10:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
So Psystar stole the work that the osx86 team had done, used it without permission and tried to make a profit with it by selling systems that run OS X which both breaks Apple's EULA and cheeses off the OSX86 guys. Psystar are sleazeballs all the way around. The lawsuit is their way of trying to make more money than they ever would have made selling systems.

In order for Psystar to win that lawsuit, the judge would literally have to redefine what a monopoly is. That doesn't seem likely to happen. If it ever did happen, lawsuits would break out against every company that makes anything and calls it their own, like the aforementioned examples. In fact the same lawsuit could be brought against Microsoft for having a monopoly on Windows. Or the Zune.]]>Oct 20th 2008 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
Bitchy response in 3... 2... 1...]]>Oct 20th 2008 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/What *likely* outcomes are there? Is it possible that Apple will by psystar or something (Although I doubt it)?]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/People once said the same thing of Apple switching to Intel.]]>Oct 20th 2008 3:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
As far as legal arguments, Psystar's best one is probably to argue that by selling OS X as a retail product, Apple should be forced to allow the end user to install on any system capable of running the OS. Apple's response would simply be that those boxes are intended for users already under agreement (from when the Mac was purchased), and thus these boxes are not really examples of "stand-alone" software but are in fact "upgrades."]]>Oct 19th 2008 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
not because they were installing it on non-apple computers.

the lawsuit from Psystar against apple was because of anti-trust issues.
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If Apple were so confident their EULA will hold up in court, then surely they'd just go ahead a sue them.

This suggests that there may well be doubts among Apple's legal team that they would win a court case, hence their slightly less agressive 'alternative dispute resolution'.

If Apple did agree to licence OS X to Psystar, this would surely lead to a huge number of other third parties wanting a slice of the pie.

If I recall correctly, Michael Dell once suggested he'd be interested in licencing the OS for his PC range.

Personally, I'd probably stick the the Apple hardware, as I do find the design attractive. Outside of Apple and Sony, I rarely find a PC/Notebook that I find decent looking enough to my liking. OS X Leopard on a VAIO would look awesome.

But it would certainly be interesting to see what impact it would have on Apple's bottom line if OS X became as widely available as Windows.

Thoughts?]]>Oct 19th 2008 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3779041/Apple+Psystar+Pushed+Into+Mediation+Talks.htm]]>Oct 19th 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 21st 2008 3:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 8:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
1. They feel they can pay off Psystar and close them down.
2. They're willing to concede something to Psystar in order to keep the Apple clones from spreading, maybe even allow Psystar to sell Mac's with branding restrictions?

With the growth apple has seen lately and their perceived/real dominance in some markets means that they're in a posisiton to have the anti-trust thing stick. (Eg. They're pushing a ton for education, it won't go over well if gov/education people are locked into products from one vendor with no competition.) There's a good argument against tying hardware and software, especially when the software can be purchased separately. Apple likes the profits on their hardware, and is probably the majority of their profit, they would have to compete on a level field with dell/etc if the judgement when the wrong way. This way, they have to compete with one startup instead of every PC manufacturer.]]>Oct 19th 2008 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3779041/Apple+Psystar+Pushed+Into+Mediation+Talks.htm
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The court forced them.

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3779041/Apple+Psystar+Pushed+Into+Mediation+Talks.htm]]>Oct 19th 2008 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/ ]]>Oct 20th 2008 12:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 19th 2008 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
next thing you know phone designers will start complaining that Apple should allow the iPhone version of OS X to run on other mobiles since it is so superior to other UI's or current market phones...

Microsoft should do this also... DVD needs to go.

]]>Oct 19th 2008 11:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/
Apple Makes there own computers with there own os.. Just like Ford makes cars with Ford Engines and Microsoft makes Xboxs with the os that runs the Xbox..

Whats the problem? People dont have to share there products if they dont want too.

Go buy a Windows box if you want Windows and a Linux box if you want linux.

If you want a MAC buy a MAC

Apple makes there OS for there computers? ]]>Oct 19th 2008 11:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/ The difference is: I can buy a ford engine and bolt it in a Chevy frame and then sell that truck.

Not on a commercial level. Try making a small mechanical shed that pumps out "Amp Trucks! Toughness of a Chevy, power of a Ford" ...]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/19/apple-and-psystar-to-settle-things-with-alternative-dispute-reso/Oct 20th 2008 12:20PM