http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/ Engadget Comments for Google strips meat, gristle off Android Market's bones, leaves just 13 apps http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
Linux and Android are lot like OS X, but useful and you can customize them.]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
You are partially correct. The kernel is in fact Open Source (Linux). However, the main programs all run in a Java sandbox, which (some of, or all of?) is not released open source. They do this so the Service providers may lock down certain areas of the phone if they choose. IE: Charge for certain apps, etc. I, personally don't know everything about it, but enough to know there are strings attached (as do many things now a days). It is more freedom than the iPhone (to an extent), but does still have it's restrictions. If it was 100% open, you can be sure there will be a lot less demand from the providers for such a phone.]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
Wow, really? Thanks for the insight! (And great spelling too.)

Fact: anti-Apple trolls are even more annoying than Apple fanboys. But at least you'll score lots of up votes here on Engadget, home of the unchecked blathering buffoons.

Troll Different.]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
The source code to Android is yet to be available, and will only be useful if you can legitimately build and install it on the phone itself. Since the source isn't available yet, and there are no firmware updaters yet, nobody can say for sure. T-Mobile could still put limitations and will likely make it hard, if not impossible to upgrade the firmware without limitations (like the iPhone)

So, on paper the OS is open source (minus some binary blobs for drivers and proprietary hardware, etc), in implementation it's not too far off from the iPhone]]>Oct 21st 2008 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
But visiting the market again there seem to be 17 apps there now. With a few that I didn't see a few hours ago]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
I thing you mean gristle.]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
the drizzle wont stand for this.
]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/1) Battery life sucks
2) Every time you turn the phone on it takes awhile for the SD card to be reconized
3) Remove/add the SD only when the phone is off
4) The icons can be moved just like the ipod, same way, just press down on the icon and drag it
5) Not all the websites work with this browser, yahoo mail doesnt work, you have to use the mobile edition
6) Only a handfull of apps, very few
7) Have yet to figure out how to get the compass mode to work, unless you actually have to be outside in the middle of the street
8) Contact synchronization from your Gmail account works the first time, but when you update it from the web it doesnt sync on the phone for some reason.
9) It goes back and forth from 3g to evdo depending on signal strenght, I guess, but I do see it switching.
10) The settings are very limited therefore customization sucks, can not figure out how to change the stupid big clock on the phone to a digital format.
11) Noticed that the IM doesnt remember your password if you turn the phone on/off
12) Camera sucks big time
13) I have yet a way to figure out how to remove icons, only lets you add

Phone died after about 4 hours of mild/medium usage]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/1) Will improve with time and charge cycles (at the beginning)
2) normal...
4) this is a problem how?
6) BRAND NEW PLATFORM. and far better than the iPhone. Which had NONE, and no potential to have any
7) Erm... what?
9) how does a t-mobile phone have EVDO?
10) Will improve with time
13)Click, hold, drag to the app tray which changes to a dustbin
]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Most of your other complains seem to be the kind of things that will soon be fixed by software updates as soon as enough pepole will start complaining about them, after all you knew you were going to buy a very new device with a very new platform and the names involved in this project are pretty trustable;and don't forget that you've got this year most exotic handset to brag about and show around to impressionable chicks.
The camera issue though is more serious.
If a camera sucks it sucks.
No amount of time, software updates or vodoo rituals are going to change that.]]>Oct 20th 2008 6:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
Menu -> Settings -> SD Card -> "Unmount/eject SD card"]]>Oct 20th 2008 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
3) Wrong, you don't have to turn it off.

Menu -> Settings -> SD Card -> "Unmount/eject SD card"

tried that, doesnt work. SD card seems to only mount when you turn it off/on. Not everything in the manual works]]>Oct 20th 2008 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
"We just sent Google the latest production version of ShopSavvy. Previous versions weren't digitally signed properly (still using the debug cert), and didn't have all the meta-data that the marketplace requires. Google let us slide for the press-preview period, but now it's time to lock it down and make everyone follow the rules. I suspect most of the other apps were in the same state as we are, so, you should be seeing them pop back up in the marketplace as everyone gets their final releases sent in to Google." by jasonhudgins

Thats from the comments of Android Community on that same post Engadget is referring to]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
WinMo, S60, Blackberry, and Palm OS have thousands of apps that are available all over the internet. Some free, some cost, some are in the shareware model of a free test period.

My hope was that Android Apps would flood the market just like the aforementioned 4 OS' I listed.

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"Ok guys, we're tracking this down for you. For the moment, we have been aware that an update was coming to the market and its applications. I'm guessing they required updates to the applications themselves (reason: I don't know yet) and those applications which were updated on-time are back in the Market.


I'll post more as I receive an official answer. "


Here is the thread: http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=87&thread.id=508&view=by_date_ascending&page=1]]>Oct 20th 2008 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/
"Your Location
FINE (GPS) location"?!

:-3]]>Oct 20th 2008 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 9:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 9:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 20th 2008 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/20/google-strips-meat-grizzle-off-android-markets-bones-leaves-j/Oct 21st 2008 11:16AM