http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Nov 26th 2008 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Nov 28th 2008 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Fast forward 3 or 4 years, and one of them just messaged me to tell me that two of them were considering Macbooks and the third a Macbook Pro. If this machine isn't converting PC users, I don't know what is.]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 7:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/And now Apple does it's a huge deal and even a deal breaker.

Even if it is not a cheap coating anymore, but REAL FRIGGIN' GLASS on a Notebook.

These machines are the best designed computers ever. Period.
And all of them are a great deal, for the quality you get. Period.


]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/for a day to get me to switch but I did. I still use some windows only apps
(Mainly Solid Works) via Parallels but for everything else I use the mac apps.]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Personally, the new design is disappointing in terms of substance. There's the already mentioned screen issue but the battery life is disappointing too. The new Intel chipset is supposed to be amazingly energy efficient. We have Dells, HPs, and Thinkpads getting 8 hours plus of battery life (and even more with expanded batteries) -- it'd be nice if Macbooks got a bump as well. When I was a student, I would occasionally need my PowerBook to last through 5 hours worth of class in classrooms with only a handful of outlets. Not fun.
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First, put down the Kool-Aid. It's distoring your view of the imperfections in these new models.

Yes, glossy screens are common, but thanks to the hundreds, if not thousands of laptop varieties, Windows/Linux users can easily choose one without a glossy screen. If you want OS X, you're stuck with glossy. THAT is why there is outcry. There are people that use their laptops in places where a glossy screen will be a major hindrance to them.

And REAL FRIGGIN GLASS is also REAL FRIGGIN HEAVY. I really don't see any benefit to the glass...probably more marketing ploy than actual function. Those 'cheap plastic coatings' were designed for LCD screens, because they work well for reading them. CRTs were made of real glass too...you know what they did? Coated them with 'cheap' plastic to reduce glare.

Best-designed? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, moron. I've typically liked Apple's designs, but I really disklike the black bezel on this and the iMacs. It seems out of place to me. It is impossible to declare something is the best in a criteria that is based primarily on personal opinion.

Great value for the quality? They made the casing a little bit better (And it is very likely cheaper for them to produce the parts and assemble that way). You can still buy comparable PCs for a couple hundred cheaper. They aren't overpriced, but calling them a value is way off-base.]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
A major hindrance. Haha.

"And REAL FRIGGIN GLASS is also REAL FRIGGIN HEAVY"

No. It's not.

"Best-designed? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, moron."

Taste is aquired through education. Thanks for the personal attack, btw.
Show me one computer where the industrial design is ANYTHING near that of the current Macs.

"Great value for the quality? They made the casing a little bit better (And it is very likely cheaper for them to produce the parts and assemble that way). You can still buy comparable PCs for a couple hundred cheaper. They aren't overpriced, but calling them a value is way off-base."

Obiously your're one of those guys that think hardware spec sheets are THE base for comparision for computers.
No, they aren't.
And this wide spread point of view is of no use for the user, in fact, it's bad.

The quality I mean, is of course the case design and all the improvements, which aren't little, but MAJOR improvements to consumer notebooks. There's no Notebook in those price ranges on the PC market, especially of the 1299 MacBook that comes even close to this.

BUT, to pick of where I left:
The quality is of course not only in the hardware features list.

But you get:
SOFTWARE, SOFTWARE,SOFTWARE THROUGH THE BEST USER INTERFACE OUT THERE!
The software infrastructure on Macs and Apple's other devices is simply the best on the market.
And I won't argue with you about the usability of Mac OS, because there's nothing to argue about.

(In addition: Market's lowest failure rates. Market's best service.)

Computers are about Software. And Mac gives you the BEST INTERFACE TO SOFTWARE!.
And that's why I converted to MAC.

Nobody EVER TAKES that into the review:
USABILITY!

That costs Apple to: to develope this kind of great software.
And you pay for that, too.

And you pointing to Linux as a viable option for any "user" is so banana. Banana, banana.
Oh, man.]]>Oct 21st 2008 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
-- If you want OS X, you're stuck with glossy. THAT is why there is outcry. There are people that use their laptops in places where a glossy screen will be a major hindrance to them."

Exactly. I would hope that Apple will go back to offering a choice and I suspect they may given how many people are upset about it. But I also suspect that some aftermarket accessory company will offer some kind of anti-glare screen cover for devout Macbook users who really need anti-glare.

--"I really don't see any benefit to the glass"

Scratch resistance and structural rigidity for such a thin screen.

-- "Best-designed? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, moron. I've typically liked Apple's designs, but I really disklike the black bezel on this and the iMacs. It seems out of place to me. It is impossible to declare something is the best in a criteria that is based primarily on personal opinion."

The unibody is a damn good design from a structural standpoint and I think it's beautiful but I agree that most of what you touch is subjective, so declaring "best designed" is perhaps over the top. I do love the look but I can't make that choice for you or anyone else. If you don't dig it, you don't dig it.

-- "Great value for the quality? They made the casing a little bit better (And it is very likely cheaper for them to produce the parts and assemble that way). You can still buy comparable PCs for a couple hundred cheaper. They aren't overpriced, but calling them a value is way off-base."

I think they're a great value, if you like OS X and if you want a thin beautiful design and appreciate what Apple offers. And I think the casing is a LOT better than the last generation Macbooks. But I totally agree that you can get an arguably better value from a PC machine. The most compelling reason to own any Apple computer is OSX. If you don't like that, it doesn't have much to offer you.]]>Oct 21st 2008 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Wow. Your comments are becoming more and more unrealistic. Just remember that there is more the computer industry than Apple, its computers, and its software.

"And REAL FRIGGIN GLASS is also REAL FRIGGIN HEAVY"

No. It's not.

For computers and laptops especially, glass is HEAVY. However, for the MPB and MB I don't think this will be a problem because they are still quite light - I'll credit Apple for that design cue. However, glass merely adds to the glare, and it seems like it was just added on to make the spec sheet look good - there really is no difference between plastic and glass for screens, except matte plastic has NO GLARE.


"Best-designed? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, moron."

Taste is aquired through education. Show me one computer where the industrial design is ANYTHING near that of the current Macs.

You obviously have not ACQUIRED (not aquired) much education in terms of notebook design. Remember, there are people in the world that are not Apple fanboys. Some people think the black screens are great, some don't; I, for one, think the black screen on the Macs are good but they look fugly on the Macbooks. The previous all silver was WAY better looking.

And best-designed? In terms of DESIGN, not looks, check up Lenovo. Their X200 and X300 have some of the best build quality on the market. What about the Envy 133? There's also Toshiba's Portege A605, which is lighter than the MBA and INCLUDES a DVD drive. The VAIO TT's even smexier.

"The quality I mean, is of course the case design and all the improvements, which aren't little, but MAJOR improvements to consumer notebooks. There's no Notebook in those price ranges on the PC market, especially of the 1299 MacBook that comes even close to this."

You call a glass screen MAJOR improvement? I have to admit, the multi-touch keypad is pretty cool, but that's just a followup to what the MBA already has. For 1299, you can buy a pretty heavily equipped 12.1" to 15.4", with up to a Core 2 Duo P9600, 4GB RAM, 250-320GB hard drive, a BLU-RAY DRIVE (sometimes), dedicated GPUs (like NVIDEA's 9600m), the works. Just go on any good website that sells computers (Tigerdirect, Neweggs, Amazon, eBay etc.) and you will find it.
The funniest thing you wrote, though, is that Macbooks are price-competitive. What is the MAJOR issue about Apple's stuff is that you almost always pay a premium compared to the competition. I have to admit, Macbooks have really good quality, but they're definitely not worth the amount of money we're handing to Stevie.

"Nobody EVER TAKES that into the review:
USABILITY!"

Obviously people take that into account. What's the point of having a laptop if its not very usable. Again, Lenovos are unquestionably the best in terms of usability. Macbooks (at least, the former Macbooks, though the new ones should be still pretty usable, other than the glossy screen) are good because they are good-looking (the new ones aren't really, though) and they are pretty usable, but Lenovo beats the competition, hands down.

Although Macbooks are good, they're not as good as you say they are - that's why Apple doesn't exactly dominate the market. Just keep that in mind. I'd say that the only thing that changed for the better for the new Macbooks is that they're made from less slabs of metal now, and they have the multitouch keypad. The screen is very lacking, though.]]>Oct 21st 2008 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Respect different opinions, but do have a different experience with my Apple products. For me, their quality has been below industry average.

All my hardware, and software problems have been with Apple products. I purchased the original MacBook Pro to replace an iBook that failed 1 month after AppleCare ran out. Had to install OS to get MacBook Pro to boot for first time, and don't use the MacBook Pro (at least first version) on your lap unless you don't want children. Talk about running hot!

My iMac G5 is the most problem prone machine I have ever owned from day one. A waste of $2500 in retrospect. The most common graphic on the iMac G5 - the spinning beachball. Just did a clean OS reinstall, and that helped some, but still see too many freeezes, and spinning beachballs. I have owned as many Windows machines as Macs, and have never needed an OS reinstall on any Windows machines. The iMac G5 is terrible on Flash intensive sites, you are just asking for a prolonged spinning beachball. I frequently shut down the iMac , and use a five year old Sony laptop with motherboard graphics to surf the same Flash sites with CPU cycles to spare.

Concerning design - that of course is a personal thing. I would never insult anyone for their person design preference, but I do respectfully disagree with your opinion, which you kind of stated like it was a fact. I purchased the iMac G4 because it was the first iMac with a flat panel display. At first, I fooled myself into thinking it was just different. After about 2 months of looking at it daily,I realized it was ugly, and after 4 months, realized it was fugly. I maintained the fugly opinion until the day it was recycled. The iMac G4 was replaced with the problem prone (for me) iMac G5 because I wanted a 20" screen, and alleged performance improvement of the G5 chip. I never did like the design of the iMac G5. Big chins may look fine on some celebrities, but i don't want one on my computer. I like the looks of my original MacBook Pro better than the new MacBooks/Pro. Don't like the black bezel from an aesthetic pov. I did not like the chicklet style keys on my 1980 Radio Shack Color computer, and I don't like that style key on the new MacBooks/Pro. I have tried typing on the Air, and stand-alone Apple keyboards with chicklet style keys at Best Buy, and just don't like the feel.

I don't have anything against Apple or OS X, but my Windows XP, and Vista machines are just as stable. and reliable as my Apple machines. I fortunately don't get the grey or blue screens of death often, but I am more apt to get a grey kernel panic on the Mac's than a BSOD on Windows. With Leopard on the iMac G5, and Tiger before the OS reinstall, I have to shut the machine off via holding power button frequently because it is totally frozen, with no response to keyboard or mouse input.

Similar to design, the overall feel of an OS is a personal preference. Again, nothing against OS X. but I prefer Vista.

Maybe I was unlucky, and all my Apple machines were made on a Monday;) My personal experience with Apple products has been rather negative from a quality, and reliability pov.


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The hardware is the sexy part]]>Oct 21st 2008 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
My experience has been pretty much the opposite of yours. But I can't blame you after going through all that. Yikes.

While I haven't tried Vista yet I have had some ugly problems with Windows which became more rare as I moved from Win98 to Win2000 and a bit more common with XP although nothing was the horror that WinMe was. *shudder*

I have had to reinstall Windows on many machines to repair serious system level issues which I didn't know any other way to fix, even on XP machines but nothing like Win95/98/Me. I haven't had to do that on a Mac. Still, I use Windows and for the most part I do like XP. I've just had better luck with OSX and my iMac G5 has run pretty much flawlessly since I bought it back in '05.]]>Oct 22nd 2008 1:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
As far as the comment about the iMac G5 having trouble running flash-intensive websites is concerned, I would put that down to the old PowerPC CPU, although that might be absolute rubbish (I'm not a flash or CPU expert), even though I've seen relatively current computers running really, REALLY slow on a flash website.

As engadget said, design is a very personal thing - I personally think the new hardware is very pretty, and I know plenty of people who hate it. That's for each person to make their own minds up about.

The lack of FireWire doesn't particularly affect me, although I think Apple have kinda shot themselves in the foot by getting rid of it as far as 'pro' users, graphics designers and musicians are concerned, especially considering as this was the market they have been aiming at for practically since the beginning. The same goes for the glossy-only screen.
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Oh, and I don't need the fancy trackpad, since I prefer a wireless mouse anyway.

There's literally nothing I want to do on the Mac that requires an upgrade at this point, and in my book, they've made several DOWNgrades on this model. If I want to play heavy-duty 3D games, I'll use my PS3 or PSP. The Intel GMA does what I need in terms of video and PC games.

Aside from all that, I've had this MacBook for a year, and I'm pretty sure it has no hardware bugs or flaws at this point. I'm not eager to jump in and try version 1.0 of anything, thanks.

I'll buy a new Mac when they get out a reasonably-priced desktop with a decent video card. ]]>Oct 22nd 2008 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 22nd 2008 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
"I HAVE 9 FRIENDZ WHO ALL LOVE PC AND NOW THEY ALL BOUGHT 3 MACS AND AN IPHONE!!"

Yeah. Sure they dud.]]>Oct 22nd 2008 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Can't though because of the lack of the 400 port on the new model whcih I use for my audio interfacing. Makes me appreciate my matte screen too cause glossy screens are a pain in cafe's, hotspots etc.

So I have a newly rekindled love my my machine and will save for a new 250gig SSD drive.

]]>Oct 22nd 2008 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Taste is aquired through education. Show me one computer where the industrial design is ANYTHING near that of the current Macs."

Kant would argue that beauty is apriori. Which means that it is a Universal Subject, or that everyone finds objects of beauty beautiful.

Just putting my $0.02 in there. ]]>Oct 23rd 2008 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Basically, if I want to run VMWare Fusion, this model makes it run better, and that's a good thing. If I want to jump over to a boot camp partition, it will be capable of playing some decent games.

So yeah, after playing around with it, I leanred that I was wrong. This model is a significant upgrade. ]]>Nov 8th 2008 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
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Timeless? I've seen very few more computer designs that were more obnoxious. Apple's aesthetics are mannered and gimmick-filled as their style book is basically retro-sci-fi kitch. It seems they design everything after watching DVD's of Star Wars and The Jetsons.

It is time for a new term to hit the tech industry: Design Bloat.]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Timeless? I've seen very few computer designs that were more obnoxious. Apple's aesthetics are mannered and gimmick-filled as their style book is basically retro-sci-fi kitch. It seems they design everything after watching DVD's of Star Wars and The Jetsons.

It is time for a new term to hit the tech industry: Design Bloat.]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
The hard disks will get replaced by Flash SSDs. And those will move to a smaller form factor, like 1.8". This will help with performance and battery life. And the move to a smaller size will allow the whole device to be even thinner.

They'll change the colors. Aluminum to white to black to multiple colors and back again.

They'll round off the edges next time, then square them off again. Repeat.

They'll move to higher speed Intel CPUs. They'll move to higher end graphics.

They'll move to a different battery technology.

They'll change the surface texture. Multiple times.

They'll provide customizable lazer etching on the outside.

They'll narrow the bezel around the display so its really thin, shrinking the size of the laptop very slightly.

They'll add five finger gestures. And more 2-4 finger gestures.

They'll add video encoding or decoding chips to the motherboard.

And on and on it will go...]]>Oct 21st 2008 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Such as those cell phones who's screens are mirrors until you turn on the display?

That would be interesting. The laptop would be an entire mirror... top and bottom until you turn it on and you get a touch screen on the bottom (see outline of keys and keypad which can change according to the computer) and the top would appear as well.]]>Oct 22nd 2008 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Actually, that sounds more like a description of Dell. They even offer a purple laptop option .

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Wouldn't mind one of those trackpads though. I rarely use the button on mine.]]>Oct 21st 2008 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Sorry, personal taste and all that - the Pro is a beast as far as specs go but it just leaves me cold in the looks department.]]>Oct 21st 2008 6:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
I opted for a glossy screen when ordering mine almost two years ago, but I have a friend who swears by his matte screen. Boy, is he pissed with Apple over the lack of a matte option.]]>Oct 21st 2008 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/

I used to think some of the black bezels I saw on laptops (a lot of them in Japan) were kind of silly, and I was skeptical about this move with the new laptops, but I am now a complete convert. I love it.]]>Oct 21st 2008 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/
Left that out of the original post because I figured it'd get be branded as a moron fanboy who thinks only my opinions about which is better are important.]]>Oct 21st 2008 6:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/ What is it that you want?

Modern Design - see Oscar Wilde's (not a Scottish or French designer, but had input as a critic) take on it, or others of his period. ]]>Oct 21st 2008 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/macbook-and-macbook-pro-review/Oct 21st 2008 8:14PM