http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/ Engadget Comments for UK police to wield mobile fingerprint scanners, facial recognition up next http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
The description of England from "V for Vendetta" is slowly coming true. ]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/How bad do things have to be that the people of a nation are not even happy enough to make babies?
USA is not far off from this after Obama gets into office, him and Biden love this kind of stuff.]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/You mean things like the Patriot Act? Oh wait....]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
Seeing things like this and the Patriot Act and the wholesale unwarranted wiretapping of US citizens really makes me proud that I left an arm and a leg in Korea.

(If you can't tell I'm being a little bitter and sarcastic)
]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
I do not agree with this fingerprinting. Cops are crazy and tech is fallible. Random people are going to be arrested for doing nothing wrong. At least there's fewer people all around, so fewer random people will be nabbed.]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
When are they releasing the fingerprint eraser from Men in Black?]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Ha .. Ha.. freaking Ha :[

Funny how one keeps forgetting the bloody fascist thing up new crap every 4 days and get full support.
]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/I think they're suggesting that fingerprints scanned using this device will only be compared against those already in the database to try to identify someone as a known criminal. But, I can believe they're going to scan fingers and not store them... sounds like bullshit. Don't they have to arrest you for something to take your fingerprint anyway?]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/As Chad says.. the devices take 2 fingerprints, transmit them, and compare them against the national fingerprint database, and return a name , date of birth and reference number if it makes a match. If you've never had your fingerprints taken by the police, it wont identify you. in my experience, its very accurate.

No personal data (ie name/address etc) is entered into the device, only the operators ID number for security. The scanned fingerprints are not stored in the device.
We use it everyday, i work in a high crime area where people regularly give false details to avoid being identified (for example they know theyre wanted on a warrant, or are a disqualified driver) This system is purely used to identify someone for the purpose of prosecution. Its not randomly used, and generally only if they have no other form of ID, and you suspect them of hiding theyre identity.
The old saying stands.. if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear..

]]>Oct 27th 2008 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
THE OLD SAYING DOESN'T STAND.

People abuse power.
We are slowly giving up our civil liberties.
We should all fear. Seriously.]]>Oct 27th 2008 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
how much do you earn?

how often do you masturbate?

what's your name and address, and badge number?

all of these questions and answers can apply to anyone, there should be no shame in sharing that information, right?]]>Oct 27th 2008 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/]]>Oct 27th 2008 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
The fact that ~250,000 britons a month risk 7 years in prison to take a drug that is safer than alcohol or cigarettes says it all.]]>Oct 27th 2008 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
even if they do keep your records they'll loose them pretty quick]]>Oct 27th 2008 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
That's what were so scared of.]]>Oct 28th 2008 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Right....
And we all still believe that the earth is flat, the centre of the known universe, that the moon is made from green cheese, and that man has never, ever walked on it's surface.

Well, that's me reassured then.

Time to dig out the caustic soda. ]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
Cost? LSE estimates 18b GBP. You have to ask why? Terrorism? The Brits have been dealing with terrorism for a long time, "The Troubles". Historically, no common law country has ID cards, so Britain will be the first to introduce it since WWII. The British public is sleep walking into a surveillance (1984) society.

Took a class on Civil Liberties last year, hence the rant. ]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
BTW don't confuse the UK with Europe, they wouldn't stand for this stuff!

Sadly, as always, it's entirely due to the UK overlords that think they rule this land.

As usual the meek get trodden on ...]]>Oct 27th 2008 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
Kind of like in The Island.]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Section 60 of the Public Order Act needs to be refused by more people too.

Let them get away with it and we're walking into Hitler's dream.]]>Oct 27th 2008 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
just got a great new band name]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/fingerprints etc done (even if they're not charge with a crime). So
its only going to idenfity people who are on the criminal database,
the criminal database over here appears to have the same sort of data
that the FBI IAFIS system has.]]>Oct 27th 2008 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
Everything UK.Gov touches turns to shite.]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
But, something tells me the query for comparisons won't be run locally, since I doubt they store hundreds of gigs worth of fingerprints on their little devices. So, let's see how it works:

1) Scan Your finger on device
2) Type in what you say your name is
3) UPLOAD scan to central location (um, that means it goes saved)
4) Start comparing fingerprint
5) Return matches (or lack of matches)
6) Let you go about your business (or blackbag you for the extreme tin-foil consumers)

Something tells me that you can review searches, etc. So, Step 3 means they have your fingerprint forever immortalized without a warrant or arrest.]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
If it was going to be online, anyone could pick it up. Given how the government doesn't know how to encrypt a CD, I don't think they could possibly manage a wireless connection.

Actually, that sounds like exactly the sort of thing the government would do.]]>Oct 27th 2008 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
The PACE act allows the Police to take and store your DNA even if you're never charged with anything, let alone found 'not guilty'.

There is no more presumed innocent in the UK...]]>Oct 27th 2008 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/Oct 27th 2008 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/]]>Oct 27th 2008 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/uk-police-to-wield-mobile-fingerprint-scanners-facial-recogniti/
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/privacy-matters/

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