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I almost thought the title said Microsoft Delays pre-beta release of Windows 7. Gee I wonder how i could have made that kind of error?
Maybe it's because it is actually quite normal and typical to hear that.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://win7mag.com/2008/08/windows-vista-didnt-take-5-years-to-develop/]]>Oct 28th 2008 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Speaking of witch, where is the live blogging from engadget of PDC 08?]]>Oct 28th 2008 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
When they say "new taskbar" do they mean the one that runs along the bottom that shows the programs you're running or do they mean the one that runs along the top of a particular window?]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Gotta love the transparency though, always a winner with me.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Before anyone bashes you for OWA, we must point out that the latest version of OWA on new versions of IE is a pretty cool ajax-y app, not the old craptacular Outlook Web.

The Office apps on the web is a good idea; Microsoft needs to do that to keep Office file formats relevant. If people began switching away from Office formats it would be all over for money maker #2 at MS, and money maker #1 could be close behind, because I think Office and Windows are tied together in many peoples' minds. The Windows juggernaut would be a lot weaker without Office.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Really? You REALLY don't think that will be user customizable? Jeez what operating system have you been using for the last 4 years?]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
So far after uploading an Excel doc, all you can do is view it "read only" in the browser. If you want to make any changes you hit the edit button and it launches the file in Excel 2007. After making changes, hit "Save" and it uploads the updated document back to your Office Live Workspace account.

So this is great if you want the full functionality of Excel (or any other part of the Office Suite), but editing cannot be done inside the browser like you can in Google Docs. It will be interesting to see how this improves in the near future.]]>Oct 28th 2008 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Friday night go knock on your neighbors' doors and say Trick or Treat. You'll get plenty.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
I think it resembles KDE, just saying..."

I agree. And I like it. :)]]>Oct 28th 2008 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
I don't get it?]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Don't go fanboy on me please, this is something that doesn't have to do with Windows as a good or bad OS but with Microsoft as an ethic company. Eyecandy doesn't make an OS better in terms of reliability, security or any other aspect that would mean a serious improvement (and a step in the right direction) since the Vista fiasco.

This is my opinion though, and your mileage may vary, but i simply don't see how a cloud model that will mean that each user pays for services that are already available for free is somehow an improvement.

Is it too early to call it Vis7a?]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
I guess you could say I'm a PC, and a Mac.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
I loved XP, but it was getting dated, and the way it handled RAM was horrendous, if you have 2GB of RAM, XP would try its darndest to free up as much as possible, which is just plain stupid. Why would I buy RAM that my OS isn't going to use? Now with Vista, it optimizes applications use of RAM, and uses pretty much ALL of the leftover stuff (that XP just to leave empty) for cache that make my computing experience MUCH more smooth, fast and enjoyable than on XP.

I keep my main computer on pretty much 24/7 and with XP, I accepted the fact htat after 3-4 days, it would require a restart in order to keep it fresh and prevent BSOD, freezes, etc, now I can leave my computer on, which is important as it is my media server as well, for weeks, sometimes over a month and when I use it, it's just like I just turned it on thanks to vista.

I'll admit, at the start, there were some issues, but these issues were mainly due to the lag between the release of a new OS and manufacturers releasing drivers for it. Now, even with 64-bit Vista that I have installed on many machines, I never have a problem with drivers or any problems with vista at all for that matter.

As for the 'refund or discount' for Vista owners....that's just ridiculous....that's like punishing a company for speeding up the development of new, potentially superior products. Nobody is going to force you to update to windows 7. They will still release new FREE updates for vista for many years to come. Most of the sales from MS' new OSes come from OEM manufacturers like Dell, HP, etc, so instead of having the price of Vista included, the price, which will likely be the same as Vista, of Windows 7 will be installed for those buying a new pre-built machine.

Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, so STFU and stop being a bitter pansy. thanks.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=11
At this pace, Vista PCs will outnumber XP installations by.. 2016? So in terms of users adoption I'd agree with the 'fiasco' terminology.

]]>Oct 28th 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
um....based on those numbers, vista is solidly gaining just under 10% market share per year where XP is losing about the same %. where did you get 1016? If those numbers hold, Vista will have a higher market share than XP by mid-2011. Not bad considering the ubiquitousness of xp! Also, that is pretty much exactly what MS wants...release an OS ---> solid sales over it's lifetime to gain huge market share --> release yet another new OS ---> that one then replaces the last over the next few years --> repeat indefinitely (ideally) --> ensure MS continues to make billions for years to come.

So no Fiasco here, move along please.]]>Oct 28th 2008 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
One asks the fanboys to stay away but then...

Let's see now. Vista Capable labeled machines that didn't ran up to par with Vista Preisntalled? No, that wasn't a fiasco, right? Vista Home Premium telling me that the problem with Vista was Vista and that even after SP1 it still didn't work wasn't a fiasco, right? Intel, the DOJ, and many others saying to Vista "thanks but no thanks" wasn't a fiasco, right?

Look, i never said that Vista wasn't better than XP or innovative. I might have used caps so you would see it though. All I say is that Vista did not delivered the cool stuff they were supposed to deliver (as a beta tester, i know what i'm talking about) like WinFS and some other stuff.

The press release (that's what i have the gripe with) basically says THE SAME as it did with Vista's press release, and you know what? Yes, they failed to deliver. Security wise, Vista is NOT the most secure OS that you can deploy in your Desktop (Go ask the many documents on the net, i'm sure you'll understand). Granted SP1 got somethings working but there are many others that still won't do as much as promised (contrast with "as much as expected" which obviously is completely subjective).

VISTA IS INNOVATIVE. Bitlocker, check, it's a plus. Eyecandy, check, a plus too (though not particularly friendly on many desktops but it looks nice), memory management, yeah a big plus, unless your motherboard is stupid and slows down when you have 4GB of RAM (non OS related though, nothing to blame to Vista). Accesibility? It's amazing how accessible Vista is, really. BUT the security holes are there, there are still reliability issues, and then you start to question at least the Marketing department at Microsoft.

Now they say (check the video linked down below in this thread) that the step from Vista to 7 is not so revolutionary as from XP to Vista (which is understandable given the time lapse between the two OSes), but there's something not quite right when they say that 7 will do just fine with the hardware that was able to run Vista (which means that if you had hardware trouble with Vista, you'll have it with 7 also). There's also that feeling on a customer's mind that you paid how much for a license (for each computer on your business for example)? Are you supposed to buy again 7 at Vista's price? There should be a DEEP DISCOUNT for those that bought Vista recently. More so now that we live in this bad economic times, wouldn't you agree?

Vista was a failure (maybe not so epic as ME but close). You and me might get it, and eventually end up buying it and loving it... But if the pricetag is too expensive, if deploying it has hidden costs (cloud stuff will be charged, mark my words), or if it will "feature" the same compatibility, security and reliability issues as Vista, then this is going to spell trouble for Microsoft.

Because no one is forcing me (or anybody for that matter) to buy Microsoft stuff. And if any of the other options available mature enough or go into the OS selling business then this would spell BIG trouble for Microsoft's marketshare.

STFU? Tsk, tsk, tsk. That's the koolaid talking... not you. How do i know it? You didn't address anything I said appart from Vista being an ethical fiasco. Let me recap it for you. "Press release, the same with Vista, will they deliver now? Is what they offer enough for you to cough up the money? Vista didn't work for a lot of people, your mileage may vary, my opinion: fiasco" ...

But relax, what do i know, right? Go ahead, make it all better calling me pansy... you'll feel better.]]>Oct 28th 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Hi. Welcome to 2007. Population: You.

As fro Vista being more expensive it's time for an O RLY? moment:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001149%2040000368&Manufactory=1149&SubCategory=368&SpeTabStoreType=0

Well, would you look at that? Vista HP appears to be $20 less than XP MCE.

]]>Oct 28th 2008 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
Also XP does no such thing as clearing your RAM when you have a lot of it. On the contrary, every MS OS based on the NT kernel will use as much ram as it can when it needs it and that is by default. Sure there are a couple of files that get put on the hdd but I doubt that Vista is any different in that aspect.

It is true that Vista has the intent of speeding up your experience and could have been great but the hdd caching mechanism is somewhat broken ( ask Intel about that one ) and a lot of the *innovations* look great on paper and in the MS adds but in really don't quite measure up. The fact is that on similar configurations XP is always faster than Vista even after the latest series of Vista patches and even after SP1. So stop being a whiny fanboy/girl and smell the roses. Even MS knows that Vista was a flop or they wouldn't be rushing to release a new version of windows so soon. ]]>Oct 28th 2008 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/

Don't get me wrong, I like the look of it, it's just not new...in fact, i've seen many skins that look very similar.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://wm.istreamplanet.com/customers/ms/750_ms_pdc_081028.asx]]>Oct 28th 2008 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
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Just found it, haven't watched it yet.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/
I hate wasted space. The modifed GUI I use for XP64 looks far better than Vista. Microsoft needs to add a full level of user customization, then Windows 7 might be good enough.]]>Oct 28th 2008 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/microsoft-details-pre-beta-release-of-windows-7/Oct 28th 2008 12:41PM