http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/ Engadget Comments for Psystar's antitrust claims against Apple dismissed http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
Ha! Good one. *golf clap*]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/*Crap]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
Probably from the size of the OSx86 community. I'd agree with him that I'm sure there are lots of people who are curious about the alternative OS, but won't switch because it would be prohibitively expensive.]]>Nov 18th 2008 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
Unfortunately, most Windows crashes and bluescreens come from bad drivers, so stability would be something of a hit-and-miss, depending on which company wrote your drivers. Microsoft's code is usually quite stable, but 3rd parties often ruin it with bad drivers. Apple gets around that at the moment by creating all drivers in-house in consultation with the party who made the hardware. It doesn't scale very well, so Apple are forced to restrict hardware choices if they want to maintain predictability.]]>Nov 18th 2008 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
I believe that's a symptom of Windows disease]]>Nov 18th 2008 10:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone#Official_Macintosh_clone_program
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Short answer: No

Longer answer: Apple makes its money on high margin hardware rather than software that yields very little income (mind you, the iPhone is contributing a lot now). If Apple were to shift to sell OS X for other computers then they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by swapping high-margin sales for low-margin ones. They would need to sell a hell of a lot of OS X licenses to cover the losses and I highly doubt that there would be THAT many Windows users who would switch. Licensing OS X would be suicidal given Apple's current business model.]]>Nov 19th 2008 5:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 20th 2008 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 21st 2008 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
I started to kinda worry aobout the current mac users... they'd have to increase the price of every single point release to pay for the lawyers.]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
In the words of Judge Alsup: "Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers... It is certainly entitled to do so." ]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
It is not illegal, EULAs are accepted and upheld, this has nothing to do with Cheerios ... and, um, that's about it.

The "what about buying a General Motors car ..." and now your "Cheerios" analogies have all been dealt with before, but for the record: you do not buy software, you actually buy a licence to use software, and with that licence comes licence conditions that must be adhered to or your licence is revoked. This is different from buying Cheerios or a car, where you are buying a physical product. Capiche?]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
The *interesting* question here is who will win the arbitration, which has nothing to do with whether or not Apple is "entitled to ask" its customers to use OS X on only their own hardware, but on whether the EULA is valid and enforceable. That has nothing to do with the monopoly Apple obviously does not have, or whether or not Apple is right to want OS X used only on Apple hardware.

The real issue at stake is whether or not shrinkwrap contracts that Apple and others use are valid.]]>Nov 18th 2008 8:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
Apple doesn't sell upgrades to consumer versions of OS X, it only sells full versions. If the $129 price was for an upgrade, they'd probably be on more solid legal ground, but since it's a "full version" that can only be sold on Apple-branded hardware, one could find the restriction to be arbitrary. Although the judge in Psystar's countersuit found that it was not arbitrary. But again, this doesn't matter, because the dispute resolution will revolve around whether they can enforce the EULA, not whether or not their "Apple-branded hardware only" demands are reasonable.]]>Nov 18th 2008 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
If Adobe chose to support a computer that they made and that computer only then that is their choice.

Do you complain that you cant install software for a garmin gps unit onto a navman gps unit? or what about a head gasket for a BMW, do you complain that it doesnt fit a Honda?]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
So, what are you people who do not like the way Apple sells is products doing to make your own? Are you giving Linux a try? It is free!

How about Windows? There are many choices - you do not need to use Apple products at all.

It is about choice - you have a choice: if you do not like what Apple does, buy something else.

It is simple.
]]>Nov 18th 2008 8:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/While I disagree with Psystar, they DO pay Apple (indirectly) by buying retail copies of OSX. So they're not pirating it. But that still doesn't make it legal for them to modify then resell it.]]>Nov 18th 2008 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
It takes away the shine of OSX if you see it on a beige box. apple is in the premium brand and they need to protect that image, otherwise they will just blend in with everyone else. Its a bit like ferrari - would you think so highly of ferrari if they would sell you a ferrari badge to stick on your toyota?]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
I don't even think the anti-OSx86 stand that Apple's taking has all that much to do with money in terms of direct hardware sales. Sure, they might lose a few bucks if Psystar can legally sell clones, but it's probably less than they'll spend in lawsuits fighting it. I think what Apple (and Jobs, in particular) want to preserve is the "Mac experience." Yeah, OS X isn't perfect, but once you start installing it on generic hardware, you start having far more problems than you do with Windows, which is actually tested on millions of hardware combinations. Apple wants the ability to control how good the user experience is. If there are countless unreliable clones out there, it makes the public perception of OS X worse than it "should" be -- by which I mean, take the number of bugs you see in OS X on a Mac, and multiple it by 10. Or 100. It absolutely will tarnish Apple's reputation, and won't do anything to help them -- $129 a copy won't make up for the damage that unreliable clones would cause.]]>Nov 18th 2008 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
Also, Microsoft is free to bundle IE with Windows. They simply have to allow it to be removed and allow the OEM to ship a competitors product. ]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
They forced hardware vendors to pay them for a license for a Microsoft operating system *even on systems that had no Microsoft software*, as terms of being a reseller. They subsequently signed a consent decree saying that they wouldn't engaged in these kinds of practices anymore. Bundling IE with Windows in order to drive Netscape out of the browser market was really just the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of the boatloads of illegal behavior they engaged in, particularly in the 90's.]]>Nov 18th 2008 8:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
with the Internet Explorer issue, Microsoft was trying to demand that all systems that were preinstalled with Windows have IE on them and ONLY IE on them. The companies were not to put any other web browser on the systems. Because IE is totally not the same as Windows in functionality, the courts said that was abusive tying.

a parallel would be of Apple said that you couldn't use Firefox, Entourage etc but that you have to use Safari, Mail etc that comes with the software. ]]>Nov 20th 2008 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/
Apple markets OS X as an "upgrade" to your current Mac. Apple won't care if you buy OS X and run it on a PC you have yourself, but when you start selling these machines en masse you're asking for trouble.]]>Nov 18th 2008 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 18th 2008 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/18/psystars-antitrust-claims-against-apple-dismissed/Nov 20th 2008 1:02PM