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And yes, a sad day indeed. When something, when anything, turns from €279 to €429...you can only think: what the...!?

It is not fair at all to be OBLIGATED to purchase a €100 voucher and a subscription you do not want at all. But it is not a surprise for me...just here you got another example about the abuses and the not-at-all "free market" we got in Spain around mobile terminals.


In Spain it is a common practise, between network operators and manufacturers, to pact/agree prices, offer "exclusive" terminal models for each operator, etc. This means that if you are client of a certain operator you will got some models "cheaper and exclusive", if you are client of another operator you will got different models "cheaper and exclusive" and so on.

I bet that in a few days one (perhaps more) Spanish network operator (Telefonica, Vodafone, Orange, etc) will sale the 5800 for "only" €350 or €300 or even €280!!!! Can you see the trick?


If at Nokia Spain they sale the 5800, free and unlock, for €279 ... the network operators will not be able to offer a better price. Suddenly we got a good terminal, with great specs at a very low price, much lowest that the 90% (or more) of the current terminal offer the network operators got in Spain.


This will be very bad for the terminals sales in Spain...but the solution is so easy: lets almost double the terminal price. The trouble banishes and all the stupid Spanish customers, I am the biggest one, will pay as we always do.

And, of course, you can not buy a french terminal, or an UK one or...


A Nokia 5800 for €279, free and unlock...it was too good to be true (at least in Spain), and nobody is going to do anything at all to solve this kind of abuses, isn't it?]]>Nov 19th 2008 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/
Operators rule the world - and the sales. So, 279 EUR (it's more like 299 - 329 after taxes in EU) would have been too cheap - I was thinking about buying it unlocked for that price, just as you say!

I guess operators just said: we want the Christmas season for ourselves, you can sell your phone only starting from January (for 279 EUR + tax). And Nokia caved, as it happens usually to all manufacturers.

So, now there is the choice: early adoption for 429 EUR or 2-year contract with an operator. Or January, for the original Nokia price, unlocked, SIM-free (~299 EUR).

Personally, I'll wait for January, I'm not willing to sell my soul to the operators for 1 month difference.

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Sony Ericsson traveled into the future to steal Apple's ideas for their 8GB touchscreen W950i music phone. Why they haven't used their time machine for other purposes is puzzling though.]]>Nov 19th 2008 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/
It was announced in September that Nokia would be charging £129 extra in the UK for the "inclusive 1-year comes-with-music subscription" on top of the £218 price of the phone (Approx $530 total). Consequently, none of the UK networks have said they will even offer to sell the 5800 despite desperate attempts by Nokia to get them onboard.

I said at the time that they were mad thinking people were going to pay £129 up-front for DRM protected music that will die with their phone, or the single PC they are allowed to sync it to and play it on. Are Nokia living in the same world as iTunes and .torrents? Who do they think will buy it with this stupid "comes with music" contract?

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Isn't this a Comes With Music phone? Why do you need a 100 euro voucher for the store? I know the CWM service is a subscription, so maybe the voucher is to 'purchase' songs that you can keep forever? Or is the 100 euro voucher the "Comes With Music" part, meaning that when you buy a CWM phone you have to pay extra for the actual music part?]]>Nov 19th 2008 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/@ KIFF, JAY

yes the iphone was the worlds first with touch screen, multi touch, music player, full web brower, and apple did invent minimalism design and music store
apple's flawless with phones"

I was going to agree with you until the last line, because it is true that Apple is the first to include all those things in 1 phone..]]>Nov 19th 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/
Stop screaming you own an iphone ;)

Iphone was and it still be the first touchscreen phone with multi touch interface ( wow i can zoom with my photo manager and web browser with two finger instead with one finger tap, that's revolutionary) and that's all .
There was plenty of phones withtouchscreen, music player and full web browser , and i add with more functions, and more open ; those where just all the Winmo phones with touchscreen without a catchy design , but time ago those where just for "geeks" or "business pleople" and thus ignored.

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A little calculation here!

Nokia's own prices are quite steep. This week I got a brochure from Nokia stating that the price of N96 is 945€, while a large Finnish retailer verkkokauppa.com is selling it for 700€ (about 74% of Nokia's price). Other examples: E71 449/570€ (79%). N79 430/560€ (77%) N85 550/700€ (79%).

So with a little calculation we see that 78% of the 429€ pre-order price of 5800 would be 335€, which would be less than 279€ plus Finnish vat 22% (=340€).

Of course this doesn't mean anything, but if verkkokauppas's prices stay the same in relation to Nokia's, the price of 5800 should be pretty much what was promised.]]>Nov 19th 2008 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 19th 2008 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/19/price-confusion-over-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-mercifully-ends-may/Nov 20th 2008 7:58AM