http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/ Engadget Comments for OpenCL spec gets finalized, Snow Leopard says "purrrr" http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Soo tech heads, how long before we ditch the CPU all together now? lol.]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
It's for leveraging graphics cards for more general purpose computing.]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Does Microsoft even have a GPGPU toolkit? I thought everyone used CUDA or hacked it with shaders.


@Ray: opensource.apple.com, macosforge.org, webkit.org]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Microsoft doesn't implement OpenGL, nVidia, AMD, and Intel do.]]>Nov 21st 2008 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
OpenCL is one thing I'm extremely happy with apple for including, supporting, and getting into mainstream, as it truly is a forward looking language. The ability to offload computationally intensive, massively parallel tasks to the GPU in a standardized, straightforward manner is huge for desktop processing. It's been possible for a while now, but it always involved tricking the GPU into loading arrays as "textures," doing manipulations as one would with "shaders," and so forth, and only recently do the shader registers themselves meet IEEE double precision floating point spec. Sure, CUDA is and remains a step in the right direction, but OpenCL is what everything now and in the future is going to be developed with.

OpenCL represents a huge cost-to-develop reduction which will make it possible for just about anything and everything to take advantage of the vector-math powerhouse that's been sitting, largely underutilized, in your computer for so long (that is, of course, unless you cheaped out and went with sub-par integrated *cough* Intel Integrated *cough* graphics).

It hurts me to say it, it really does, but if Snow Leopard pulls this off right, it might be a compelling reason for me to get a mac. (::gasp::, did I really say that?)]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
If a company like Microsoft were to get behind this standard what would happen. The truth is they won't, because they are Microsoft.]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
I've read your post a number of times. Quite honestly, I can't figure out if even *you* know what you're asking about. Was that last post a statement or a question?

You still said "Video Standard," which this isn't. The only bearing this has on video hardware at all is that it physically runs on GPUs. Either way you put it, GPGPU computing is coming. Differing implementations will gave way to one language eventually.]]>Nov 21st 2008 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Unfortunately, it looks like some of the CAD/Viz packages are moving to Direct3D as well. Autodesk is with their 3D Studio line (2009, I believe, requires the installation of DX9.0c or higher to work).

However, I also realize that Autodesk is very crappy with support for only Windows in the majority of its products (Maya notwithstanding). It tries not support Windows on Apple hardware and even says so on its support pages.]]>Nov 21st 2008 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Excuse me for calling it a Video Standard. It is a piece of software written to utilize the power of GPUs on what, a Video Card that was my reasoning for calling it a Video Standard. Just because it doesn't render shiny men with big guns doesn't mean you can call me an idiot for calling it a video standard.

I am a computer nut I get what this does. My whole point was the frustration with competing standards.

Examples:

BluRay
HDDVD

DirectX
OpenGL

HDMI
DisplayPort

16:9
16:10

All these things are necessary that still doesn't make them less annoying when you have to choose between them. It was nice when DVD came out there was no real competition everything else was either too ridiculous (Laser Disc) or just plane stupid (DIVX), so I didn't have to decide whether I wanted to put a DVD player in my computer or a Laser Disc it was obvious.]]>Nov 21st 2008 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Competition isn't all bad, it brings out the best in these businesses. Look at mac, back when xp first came out, i would've never even thought of getting an iAnything. They wanted to compete and now they are a viable alternative. As long as new technologies are bread, im happy.

Now, the problem is with unnecessary competition. These companies will often claim something is an improvement over another when its not. Im pretty sure this is not the case with OpenCL, but say, 16:9 and 16:10, its all about preference and confusing the consumer.]]>Nov 21st 2008 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
You are entitled to your own opinion about DivX, but please don't slander/libel it by calling it a competitor to DVD.]]>Nov 21st 2008 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Just wow. DIVX and DivX are two completely different things. I use DivX the video codec all the time. I won't have DIVX the self destructing disc format in my house.]]>Nov 21st 2008 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 22nd 2008 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/i heard ms is working on their own standard for windows 7. if these 20 companies also say they won't support that, ms will have to get on board as well.]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
So yea, NVidia is probably on board.]]>Nov 21st 2008 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
*Sigh*]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
:D]]>Nov 22nd 2008 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 22nd 2008 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
C'mon do it....till then it's OSX86 for me. Tanks'. ]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/But if you complain so much, just get the real deal dude >_>]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Sorry that my OSX86 rig is better than any Intel based rig Apple can put together. Just not as pretty.

Release the OS for all already. Just to think of the bank their losing out on....they could take 30% of the market overnight EASILY.
]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/They are both bridges between the hardware and software, how that bridge works doesn't really matter, its up to the software developers to integrate that bridge. On a mac platform, there is little use for an open source platform, whereas this could be really beneficial for pc's.

Correct me if I'm wrong but... What sucks is that mac users don't realize that Apple is pulling a "DX10 only on Vista" stunt. ]]>Nov 21st 2008 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Is it perhaps because these new features aren't accompanied by applications and new fancy UI? Just because they are features "only" developers can exploit doesn't mean there hasn't been several years of development on them.]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/isn't that like saying DirectX = OpenGL. they are both ways of programmers displaying 3d content.]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/
Wrong. Nvidia's CUDA and OpenCL are nothing of the sort. Engadget didn't really explain it, and apparently it's a tough topic for most of the mac following to swallow down (which is understandable considering how elusive/abstracted away the gpu functionality has been in OS X for so long), but OpenCL is _NOT_ a 3D graphics API. In fact, it is quite the opposite. It allows one to run software on the GPU itself which isn't explicitly destined for video output. Shaders/stream processors/whatever are essentially CPUs that run specific code. These cores can be utilized to huge computational gains for applications which lend themselves to being parallelized.

NvidiaCUDA/OpenCL = GPGPU languages != OpenGL or DirectX (These are 3D APIs)]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/So you agree that you are getting scammed by apple, and what could be a simple driver is forced to be exclusive to the newest OS.

@EMoShunz
Yep, they do the same thing, but there is no actual benefit to the end user one way or the other, the only result is the developer having to do more code porting to make it work on more than one platform. This all reminds me of PS3 vs Xbox 360 in terms of competing architecture for interfacing with hardware, it only means headaches for the game makers.]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Don't get me wrong here, I want OpenCL to supercede CUDA/DirectX 11. But the only way it can do that is to take hold on many platforms, not just the mac platform.

And I'm not trying to put you apple fans in your place, I'm just confused because I have XP on my gaming rig and Vista on my laptop, they both enjoy CUDA processing for games and Folding@home, but it was just a driver, Why cant openCL be that on your platform?]]>Nov 21st 2008 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/Nov 21st 2008 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/opencl-spec-gets-finalized-snow-leopard-says-purrrr/]]>Nov 23rd 2008 4:01AM