http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/ Engadget Comments for Psystar drops antitrust argument against Apple, throws copyright abuse at the wall http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Yeah but the computers are shit any way so you would be better off building you own computer and using osx86. By bringing osx86 in to this its damaging it.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Then people might be able to get around the high prices, proprietary bullshit and white/black high gloss plastic and aluminum case designs.

Hell, if Apple was forced to allow companies to be able to build computers that could run OSX...they'd end up being less competitive... just like when MICROSOFT was forced to allow Apple products to work on windows.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/sure Apple might be right and will most likely win,
but the tone of the articles make it seem like Psystar is scamming people
for the consumer (who's side Engadget should be on) it is a win because like it or not a lot of people want mac and Psystar does infact allow that for more reasonable price,
so even if you won't buy from them quit hating on them for trying]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Regardless of the merit of your comments, I've sick of seeing your face on every article. Perhaps you could find a new, less annoying avatar?]]>Dec 11th 2008 2:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Well, they are scamming consumers who are being led to believe that they can run the Mac OS as well Windows and Linux. Sure it works now, but future versions will likely not be as accommodating. Where does that leave Mr. Saved $100 by buying from Psystar? Running old Apple software (AKA the iCircle of Hell), that's where!]]>Dec 11th 2008 3:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
I think we all know apple are going to win this. I still don't think someone is paying psystar like it was suggested last time.
saying that I wonder what would happen if a bunch of large or small companies got together and tried this again.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
----- Apple's backing Psytar's finances -----

huh?! what? I see a confused daze in your eyes! Think about it!

Apple beats down Psystar, which has a set of "hotshot" lawyers making dumb claims against Apple that are shot down in court. Like Engadget says, it scares the people over at the OSX86 project by giving them the impression that Apple is legally water-tight and now that they've been "awoken", the angry Apple will come after all that support this project.

It also makes all the Mac Clone wannabes think twice before selling the clones, since Apple has a legal precedent that allows them to shutdown the cloners!

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Never had a mac so I wouldn't know.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
@ Kris, It's not a technical thing, it's a licensing thing. I can go from 10.3 to 10.5 just like I can upgrade to Windows Vista from Windows 2K as easily as I can from XP. I'm not making an outright statement, I'm really curious as to the license status of boxed OS X.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
The problem with Psystar that they advertise and sell computers with OSX claims that Apple has not granted to give. If I would make a clone of Mac. I would just say that computer hardware is similar to Mac OsX.... Or just distribute the hardware and let people to realize it them selves
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You'd think they could easily get around all this by making OS X "upgrade only". They could keep it customer-friendly by saying it's an upgrade from *any* previous Mac OS, not just the previous one.]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
I've got a retail version of Leopard here and it clearly states in the license agreement:

"This license allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple labeled computer..."

So, I don't know, PsyStar, stick an Apple label on the machines?]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
First off, when you buy a separate copy of OSX you are NOT buying the license to use it. You are buying a physical copy. Second, you do not agree to the license when you purchase it, they are trying to enforce the license AFTER you have already purchased it. That is where this whole thing comes into play. How enforceable are EULAs after the customer has purchased a copy in which he did not have to agree with the license in order to purchase it.]]>Dec 11th 2008 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Apple has a rather small marketshare when it comes to PCs. As much as people who love OSX bash Microsoft, the fact is Apple still is a small fish in the OS landscape. So naturally Apple is going to fight hard to protect their OS rights.

I wouldn't call Apple a dragon, more like an angry badger. Pretty easy to avoid if you just walk around, but it fights hard if you stick your hand in its den.
]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Then again, my story, like yours is completely anecdotal.
]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/tell that to my room mate who asked me to fix his macbook which had swallowed a CD and refused to spit it out, one frustratingly long telephone call because the CS person was sure I didn't know where the eject button was and after explaining numerous times that I did and it still wasn't working I was told to take it an Apple store... after 25 minutes.

So I take it to the Apple store they take it, tell me to come back a few days later, so I do. And their response is to give it back to me and say it needs to be sent to Apple... seriously, just a stuck CD drive, something that usually is just a case of: find paper clip - bend paper clip and stick it in the manual eject hole and done ( I still can't believe macs don't include such a basic thing). Takes a lot of time and effort and dealing with people who probably couldn't even locate the screen.

I do however realize that everyone's experience of CS is different, and just anecdotal evidence. As on the reverse, dealing with Dells CS who are infamously bad, was actually pretty good. It all depends on who takes your call/staffing the desk at that time I guess.]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/"... I was told to take it an Apple store... after 25 minutes.

So I take it to the Apple store they take it, tell me to come back a few days later, so I do. And their response is to give it back to me and say it needs to be sent to Apple..."

Sounds to me like you took it to an Apple Authorised Retail/Repair Agent and not an actual Apple Store. I had a the same issue (similarly bad service as well) with my first MacBook when I was in Costa Rica and since they don't have Apple Stores there, that was my only option.

A couple weeks ago, I had a faulty optical drive (different ailment) and took it to the Apple Store in the Eaton Centre here in Toronto. They do it in house, as with all Apple Stores, so it was less than 24 hours to switch it out.]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Imagine Microsoft saying that from now on it will only be selling Windows on Microsoft laptop and desktop computers... And raising the price of the hardware by 20% of course.

I might understand why Apple is allowed to this in the US, but why the EU isn't having a field day with Apple, as they have with Microsoft, is beyond me.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/OSX/Apple market share is way below their radar.]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/Dec 10th 2008 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
When someone's sueing you the best way to stop them is sue them back]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
It is something I've always suspected, but it stings to have it out in the open like that :(]]>Dec 10th 2008 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
Kudos for that one.]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/I look forward to the judges ruling if only so we don't have to keep reading all the idiots shouting about how Psystar is breaking the law.
If Psystar can get away with this then it's better for consumers, until Apple go back to custom motherboards with a smarter TMP chip.
Without this kind of challenge IBM would still be making PCs and no-one elese would have got a look in.

And please stop the senseless analogies please !]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
A closed architecture can only survive as long as one of two things remains true:

1. The owner of the closed architecture continues to innovate, and/or
2. Competition is weak.

So far Apple has been pretty innovative, but business history tells us that will not last forever. As for competition, well, the OS market is very hard to break into, as Apple has spend decades finding out. Microsoft could compete with Apple if they weren't an aging dinosaur. But look how hard it has been for outsiders to compete against MS and their 95% market share. It makes even less sense for a non-Microsoft company to try to "dethrone" Apple from their 5-7% share. It's not worth the effort to compete because the payoff is too small. The only company worth competing against is MS.]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/
WTF were psystar employees wearing the same clothes as apple people?
]]>Dec 10th 2008 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/10/psystar-drops-antitrust-argument-against-apple-throws-copyright/you dont like Apples prices, suck it up and get a PC
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@RedGhost. you are incorrect. the courts currently side with the companies by stating that an EULA can be in the box and is enforceable if the buyer installs the software. it does not have to be on some outer wrapper and readable before the box is open. ]]>Dec 13th 2008 5:56PM