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And mine's running on a piece of crap Pentium 1.]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Now low rank this post because the facts hurt.]]>Dec 19th 2008 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Cue T-Rex: TOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR!!!!!
Thank you, T-Rex.

Ignorant? Why? Because I realize that data packets are data packets regardless of whether it's an upload or a download, ? Or because I know the difference between a torrent and Tor?

T?
T: TOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR!!!!!
Thanks, buddy.]]>Dec 19th 2008 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Relaying packets around with Tor is still not going to solve this for you. Just as your packets relay from one host to another, they end at a host and that host will be shut down. Then the next host. Then the next. Eventually, the organizations hosting those relays for you will prevent you from using the relays for P2P traffic...which many are already telling you not to use them for and are being abused.

I don't know what's worse, you thinking that Tor is the answer or you thinking that anyone else wouldn't realize Tor isn't the answer. This is all just common sense, it doesn't even require technical knowledge. You are connecting to an RIAA bittorrent client with an IP address from somewhere behind an ISP and that ISP will crack down on that host. THINK!

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So, sorry for the mix-up, but in substance, you WERE responding to him because you said, "no matter how secure." which is patently inclusive of any security feature (so you also continued the Tor discussion by default). Even so, you could have looked it up instead of calling me names, you big meanie head. (kidding) I mean, I just said your "comment" was ignorant, which still stands.

You still assume that every ISP is just going to jump up and kiss the RIAAs backside. It's not like we're in France or Australia, dude. Even so, you could block every US upload you want. We're still going to download any file we need from Asia, anyway. What's the RIAA going to do then, cut the lines?? (Oh shit!!)

The RIAA is going to FADE like a FIRSTER.

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As was once said in an article I read about Nintendo's anti-piracy measures: the best way to eliminate piracy is to make it more difficult to obtain the intellectual property than it is worth to buy it. This is for certain a step in the right direction for the RIAA as bittorrent traffic is actually going to be hurt substantially by those actions.]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
You act like sharing files is mala in se. It's malum prohibitum, by regulation only - weak, ineffective regulations, which I believe are mala in se. The whole damn notion that you own your ideas is patently ridiculous.

Not all ISPs are going to go for this, and IF they do, then they will suddenly find it very difficult to compete with providers who still respect your 4th amendment rights.

This guy keeps calling me names because I didn't buy his stupid album. GTFO, LARS!!]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
And since when did bittorrents ever hog bandwidth?? EVERY free software distributor I know of practically BEGS people to download via torrents. Why? Because it saves bandwidth and since they're giving their product away, they can't afford the extra load.

Anybody who's upset that torrents (since you started the topic) take extra bandwidth doesn't understand the math of network distribution.

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I STEAL MUSIC - ALL OF THE TIME!!!! I STOLE THE NEW METALLICA ALBUM!!! Yes, I'm guilty of stealing, and no, I don't really care. But I'm certainly not going to pretend it should be legal.]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
When I said a step in the right direction I meant for Tor.]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Torrents provide faster download of data and across multiple ISP's rather than a single point (which is usually paying a higher premium to provide that bandwidth) but the fact remains that the data is still downloaded to one IP...you're not paying for that type of connection and the ISP's didn't provide bandwidth for that purpose. They're in turn paying higher bandwidth costs to their own providers such as UUNET or XO.

Again, I guess it needs to be stated that just because I'm pointing this out doesn't mean I agree with the ISP's kicking users or with higher costs for our bandwidth. I simply understand what is going on.]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/

. . . and why would you even steal Metallica? They haven't been good in years. lol]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
I think you update your tag to Godifail.]]>Dec 19th 2008 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Yeah that whole silent protest thing is probably my only ethical dilemma here. How exactly do you engage in legitimate civil disobedience in complete privacy?? I don't know. You suggest that the only one who benefits from that kind of 'violation' is the so-called violator. That's tough to argue.

But that doesn't change that so-called intellectual property is nothing more than a paper tiger that is devouring the free exchange of information. It's just as absurd as food companies suing people for using a food replicator. It "steals" from no one. It would drastically benefit both the real economy AND the information economy.

As for torrents, they function the same whether over one IP or multiple ones. However, due to a huge uptake in media recording editing and viewing technology, file sizes will continue to outgrow network capacity for decades to come. In a few years, ISPs will be hiring up all of those torrent programmers at 6 digits to fix their jammed up networks and ISP2ISP fees will be the least of their worries. The ones who stick their head in the sand will fail.

Oh and I'm not suggesting that people abuse Tor or any other such service. It's simple fact that they do, and since the software is open source, there's nothing to stop others from replicating and improving on it and allowing users to exercise their God-given right to exchange information freely. This won't come until the concept is more mature, but there will be no "abuse". Will it be a perfect solution? No. Do I expect it to outpace the resources of the RIAA? Psh, yeah!

If you're okay with being a hypocrite, that's fine. But I promote free exchange because I believe in it. I don't buy that unauthorized distribution is stealing. I don't believe restrictive copyrights are economically beneficial or that there's no other viable model to capitalize monetarily on free exchange. I see that disproved on a regular basis.

The RIAA doesn't even really protect the financial interests of the music industry. They ONLY protect its ideological interests (at great expense).

It's time people wake up to this. Our kids and grandkids will outnumber us. They will not accept these stupid restrictions on their freedom. One day they will post jokes on engadget about how willing we were to have our digital rights managed for us. Our generation's notions of intellectual property will fade like an iPhone troll.
/Rant

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Music may be ridiculously expensive (.99 for a song that may or may not have DRM on it) and they should lower it.

But, on the other hand, there is no excuse for taking something that you have not paid for. Music is not sustenance, and people that steal music are not Robin Hood.

I do not agree with stealing. I, for one, have legitimately boughten all my CDs, and also they have the best sound quality, which I like :).]]>Dec 20th 2008 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 21st 2008 6:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Godfail ...fail

Great discussion though!]]>Dec 22nd 2008 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
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ISP's are cutting off peoples service, the most prominent being Exetel. Three strikes and your gone. They taunt you by offering you one of the largest off peak GB quotas in Australia as well...

Youve just got to pick your ISP wisely not that i download anything illegal *shifty eyes*

Honestly, until the music/movie industries provide us with enticing alternatives, piracy will always be alive, NOTHING they do will stop it, just look at Microsoft Windows over the years...trying to make it more difficult to steal yet people always find a way.

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I friggin hate the RIAA, but at least I didn't get sued.]]>Dec 19th 2008 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
I don't pirate music (youtube FTW, let google assume the liability) but I can guarantee that any ISP willing to sign on to this idiotic plan is an ISP I'll never do business with. Unless of course every ISP in the area agrees, in which case I'm out of options. The idea of a third party company being able to arbitrarily tell my ISP that they think my ISP has done something wrong, and then for my ISP to dish out punishment based only on their word, is insane. If this really takes off, I think it's time for the government to step in and guarantee consumer rights when it comes to the internet. No one should be cut off from the greatest collection of information in the history of the world because some douchebags feel they are the police of the internet.


Uggg from bad to worse. Think of the PR nightmare when granny gets her internet cut off for being a filthy dirty pirate (despite only using her computer once or twice a month to check for E-Mails containing pictures of her grand kids).]]>Dec 19th 2008 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Of course, the obvious bit of fun that the anti-RIAA folk could have would be to forge millions of false notices for hundreds of thousands of legit IPs and let the ISPs try and wade through them and wrongfully disconnect "honest" customers...]]>Dec 19th 2008 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
But what do I know...]]>Dec 19th 2008 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Telstra ignores all requests from the media nazis for personal details on users or closure of accounts.

Not that Telstra is a great ISP, at least I know they wont go pussy on me and nuke my account.]]>Dec 20th 2008 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 21st 2008 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 27th 2008 2:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 6:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
...on a sidenote, anyway else scared that Obama's right-hand man (Rahm Emanuel) has a brother who runs one of the biggest talent agencies in Hollywood?]]>Dec 19th 2008 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 6:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 20th 2008 2:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 6:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/
Perhaps it's asian songs, I'm downloading? But some artists are under Sony BMG and stuff.

O.o" ]]>Dec 19th 2008 7:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/riaa-finds-its-soul-will-stop-suing-individuals-for-music-pirac/Dec 19th 2008 6:33AM